Pinging problem

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Treeboy, Apr 18, 2020.

  1. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    I have a 69 GS400 with a fairly stock 400 that I rebuilt several years ago. Since I rebuilt it I have had problems with the car pinging under acceleration. Makes it no fun to drive! I have checked just about everything, compression, dynamic compression ratio, timing gears, multiple distributors, timing curve (total timing was around 26 to minimize pinging, but it still would ping). I was told that it could be that the pistons were too deep in the cylinders. Pulled the head today and here is what I found (see pictures). I have some carbon build up but it looks like the pistons are ok. Can someone help me!?! On the gauge it is the top measurement (bottom is metric?
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Tell us as much as you can about the rebuild. What pistons, what cam, what distributor. The more info you provide the better. Was the cam degreed?
     
  3. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    Here are pictures
     
  4. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    Cylinder #1
     

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  5. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    Measured distance at top dead center
     

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  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The stock pistons sat below deck. It has to be something with the rebuild.
     
  7. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    Stock 30 over pistons from TA (manufacturec by egge). Stage 1 cam. I checked the cam with a degree wheel, it was correct. I was using a stock distributor with pertronix, but also tried points and an hei.
     
  8. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    TA did the machine work but I assembled it.
     
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  9. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    What fuel are you running?
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    What is the distributor part number? Did you measure everything and come up with an accurate static compression ratio?
     
  11. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    I have a 68 distributor (1111330) with a bushing restricting mechanical advance. I was running 0 degrees initial timing. I will have to look at what the hei part number was.

    I run super unleaded (91 octane).

    Larry, at your suggestion several months ago I did a compression test. You previously didn't think it was high.
     
  12. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    I did not measure the compression ratio but did calculate it knowing the dish if the pistons, the heads volume and the head gasket. Calculated a compression ratio of 9.3:1 and the dynamic cr is 7.52:1
     
  13. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I posted wrong, the pistons are 60 over.
     
  14. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    I have tried different carbs to make sure it wasn't running lean (two different quadrajets)
     
  15. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    I'm running stock ac Delco plugs (rts43)
     
  16. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    Car runs warm (I live in Phoenix), but it pings in the winter when it is 50 degrees outside
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    That should be fine. Maybe do a compression check and see what the cylinder pressures are.


    What about the distributor. Is it possible the ignition timing isn't right?
     
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  19. Treeboy

    Treeboy Well-Known Member

    From earlier this year, here were compression test results:
    1- 140
    2- 143
    3-130
    4-128
    5-135
    6-125
    7-130
    8-133
     
  20. Houmark

    Houmark Well-Known Member

    My first thought was not correct installed dist. Is 0 degress, actual 0 degrees?

    Just sound weird, that it runs hot summer and pings winter.. It's a too little, too much timing issues..
     

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