Off topic but this is getting crazy....

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by BQUICK, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. My3Buicks

    My3Buicks Buick Guru


    Or maybe the accusers have lived with this for decades and it's their turn to walk away finally feeling some justice has been served and the accused will finally get his due and be brought forth as the pig he was/is. Lee, would say it to your face, that is a disgusting attitude for any human to have. Yes, by all means let the innocent victims rot in the horrors and the accused continue to live a lovely life
     
  2. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    I'm not aware of anyone that has said it should just be forgotten....if it indeed happen then by all means string them up by their balls. I know I haven't, all I've said is it should take more than an accusation to get you behind bars. After that length of time there simply isn't a way to prove anything unless a child came of it. I'm not shaming any victims maybe a select few have trouble analyzing verbage and so they just adjust it to fit their beliefs.
     
  3. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Keith....watch out for "lying whores"....one may come after you when you are 90......:rolleyes:
     
  4. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    The recent case of the sports doctor that assaulted dozens of girls for instance, he needs to be publicly castrated and left to bleed out. There is substantial evidence to prove he is to blame. What a few of us is saying is with all the "crying wolf" that goes on regarding this going on now there needs to be a little more done to prove ones quilt than what appears is needed nowadays. I get that the DA has to sign off before it can go to trial or a true arrest and not just a detainment is made, but those people are I the limelight and another notch in their conviction belt makes them a hero in the eyes of the public who often times are all to eager to follow status quo and believe what ever they are told by authorities. I have done work for MANY LEO's and things like this come up and they can share stories that will break your heart and others pertaining to this subject that will make your blood boil when the truth finally come out but only after thousands upon thousands have been spent, homes lost, careers destroyed, etc etc....only to be told by authorities "sorry for the inconvenience" so if you were that unlucky individual how would you feel????
     
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  5. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!


    I'm not surprised by your reaction. It's a childish response to me pointing out the flaws in your logic. I don't think what you said was tongue in cheek. In fact you were trying to get me to argue by asking me if i was ready to fold... Lol. Don't hate me for shutting you down so easily. Lots of folks share your views, which is quite scary.


    The irony here is you are reacting just as poorly as those you are so adamantly against.

    You've completely convinced yourself this hasn't happened and are very vocal about it and trying to convince others the man is innocent. you're behaving as badly as those who want to skip the trial and hang the man.

    Let the legal system do it's job.
     
  6. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    For a real world example for instance,..100% true story regarding someone close to me.

    Her husband is tired of marriage, but doesn't want "lose" anything other than his wife, he sets up a domestic violence situation, police come out , she had already left the property, he scratched his own face and slaps himself. They go a few doors down and pick her up. There are no marks on her as there was no physical altercation. They arrest her immediately since "he has marks" SC law requires this btw. She worked in school system being arrested and working in the school system are not tolerated PERIOD. She is without a job and will be essentially blackballed. DSS gets involved which is extremely invasive and not letting a mother see her child is as you can imagine traumatic,...the authorities decide nothing is adding up so they drop charges but tbe damage is done,...once again what would be your position if it were you? @MYBUICKS

    Not looking for an argument mind you just curious ie healthy debate,..all to often guys take stuff to personal on here and forums I general, intelligent debate only makes all parties better. That's a major issue with the society as a whole you can't Express you views without being attacked by the opposition.
     
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  7. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Just giving factual details that are in the record. I could totally see cops dragging him out of his house if he had a record but it seems this is not the case....
     
  8. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I don't doubt for a minute that people make this stuff up all the time.

    What is the percentage of these cases that turn out to be made up? Is there any data out there?
     
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  9. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Wow....sounds familiar....my wife was cheating and did similar to me.....
     
  10. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Being arrested doesn't make you guilty, it never has.

    The man's record doesn't indicate much either. Look at Bill Cosby.

    Since he was charged there must be some evidence to support it happened.
     
  11. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Idk I would venture to say they don't want to keep a tally of how many times they've been wrong. Hell it may scare us ha,..I feel pretty confident in the vast majority incarnated are in fact guilty of their crime. And obviously there will be some innocent that fall thru the cracks its inevitable. It's a serious issue in my opinion along with many others the human race face but it hinges on honesty and that unfortunately is one of the hardest things to come by.
     
  12. DeeVeeEight

    DeeVeeEight Well-Known Member

    All I can tell you is that I have been falsely accused more than once and the expense and stress as well as the stigma of the false accusations were all effective tools of malicious revenge for females who felt wronged. The local police dept. has a file on me over an inch thick full of false accusations and it comes up any time they want it to. Even though I was never convicted, it looks bad for me. I personally, prefer to walk away from a relationship if it does not work out and leave the other party alone. Some folks can't do that and use the legal system as a tool to mess peoples lives up. If and when you ever find yourself on the receiving end of that kind of malicious legal manipulation, I wish you well. It can be enough to kill some people. One 17 yr old boy was accused of rape and later committed suicide even though the charges were dropped. A year later, his mother comitted suicide because of the trauma. It is a heavy blow for some folks, who are not criminals, to have to bear and live with, if they can. Our legal system is not perfect, but with the over zealous attitude of cops and prosecuting attorneys, I fear it and do not trust it. And now with this Me 2 movement, I am even afraid to talk to the ladies any more for fear of what may happen down the road. Too many screwed up minds out there. Add menopause and other medications to the mix and you have no idea what kind of crazy you may be dealing with. Ask me how I know and why I feel the way I do. The only safe thing for me to do is work on the cars, watch TV, knock around on these forums or go to work. As much as I would love to have a significant other again, I am gun shy. So now I just play it safe. Not such a great life but better than living in a cell falsely accused by some psycho biotch. The damage is done, I am scarred for life.
     
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  13. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    I hear ya, Lee....
     
  14. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Ok.... let's calm down guys..

    Just want to say that I have a totally different take on this whole deal.

    Let's try a little personal responsibility on each side..

    Men.. Chose your friends wisely, stay away from those whose goal in life is to get hammered every weekend. Every time you go to that wild party, you put yourself in danger. If your not there, you can't do something stupid, or be accused of something you did not do.

    No woman ever pulled some guy out of the library, or off the street on cruise night, and accused them of rape.

    I am struck by how our culture stigmatizes men in public life, who refuse to be in an elevator alone with a woman.. ever.. they are ridiculed for that, but I have one word for it.. smart.

    Personally, I made one mistake in my life, and it is all my fault.. nothing criminal mind you, but I have a 28 year old son because of it.. I accepted that responsibility, and learned from it. I did not blame anyone else.

    I have never been married.. almost was twice, but I had the good sense to look at my friends and decide that there is no way I am going to commit to that with someone, until I know who that person really is.. no matter how long that takes. Too many people in this country foolishly rush into a lifetime commitment, only to find themselves sorry for it later.. Again, you agreed to marry or date the woman who is now falsely accusing you of domestic violence... You ignored the signs that this was coming, long ago. YOU are responsible for what is happening now. You should not be in the situation, and would not be, if you had took a hard look at that person long ago, and realized that this is not going to turn out well.

    Is it possible that you, as a guy, could not see this coming, but it is very, very rare.. People are who they are, they rarely change, the only thing that changes is their target.

    I would/will not date a vindictive woman.. gave up a really nice one once, super hot and friendly at the time..... because of how she treated her last boyfriend, and spoke of him to others.. I knew, someday that would be me if I stayed with this. We got along well, but I could see the future... she was flabbergasted when I broke up with her after two months, and I was wise enough to not start a fight with her.. I simply said that I was not going to date for a while, and needed to work on my life on my own.... and she still badmouthed me to everyone we knew.. that is when I knew I made the right choice.

    Again, let's quit blaming everyone else, and realize that "ya, I made some bad choices"....

    _______________________

    And Guys, if your some loser scumbag, taking advantage of women, you deserve everything the legal system will throw at you, and probably more.. good luck getting any sympathy here..

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    Women- Same deal... Be responsible for your personal safety. This started back in grade school... you act like your easy, and/or you are promiscuous, and in later years you hang out at drunken parties.. surprise surprise, sooner or later some drunken bozo is going to not taken no for an answer...

    That's part of it.. and the part that some will say "oh, it's not her fault... when she shows up at a party half naked... really, have we suspended common sense in this country? Apparently so. I will never defend any guy who takes advantage of an "easy" girl, but then again I will never say that she does not share some of the blame. Life is a two way street, and your responsible for your side of it.

    The other part of it for woman is very different, but requires just as much responsibility for their own well being, and for that of those women around them.

    These women have made the right decisions about their friends and their conduct.. but they get put into a job or other situation, and get sexually harassed or worst by some pig.

    Regardless of how hard it is, it is your responsibility to report that harassment up the chain of command in the organization, and to insure that the police are notified, and a report is made. I don't want to hear the litany of excuses about why you can't do that.. because every one of those excuses has one thing in common.. self interest.. as a woman who has been exposed to this vile treatment, it is your RESPONSIBLITY to report it, in a timely manner, or all you do is empower those offenders to attack more woman.

    But, you won't find this argument in any discourse on the subject in this country anymore, because the populous has been programmed to believe that "it's not your fault". Nothing is "your fault".

    This starts when we are little children, not held accountable for our actions.

    In every one of the cases you guys are citing and bickering about, I guarantee you there was a decision point, where the individual made the wrong choice. Life is not random, it is a result of a collection of decisions we make.

    And like we see on this page.. all that happens anymore is meaningless arguments from each side about the aftermath of the conduct, while we ignore the root of the issue.

    Bottom line, you are responsible, for everything that you do and how your react to everything that is done to you.

    Period.


    JW
     
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  15. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Having been falsely arrested multiple times (also a few that were deserved haha), I can tell you that you are guilty to the cops, the jailors, and everyone you come in contact with from the second the cherries and berries turn on. I had my house surrounded and 7 cops with guns drawn on me once, while I was just taking the garbage out. Slammed face first into the dirt, cuffed, and dragged into the back of the car, and I was being more than cooperative. Turns out I look just like an escapee who was seen in the area, but they wouldn't take me into the house to get my I.D. Took me a while to get the neighbors to calm down.....Ive spent thousands and thousands on lawyers that shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. It could've been the '60 Caddy I've been after for years.
     
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  16. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    This is exactly why this kind of threads are frowned on here. It degenerates every time into butthurt. Can we please keep it civil or does it need to get closed?

    From the 3 seconds I spent researching it, there is no statute of limitations on felony sexual offense or misdemeanor in Maryland. if the guy is guilty and he's 90 now, he doesn't get a pass.

    I don't know if he's guilty or innocent. The prosecution will have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. He will have a jury of his peers and he will have a lawyer to defend himself. To anyone falsely arrested, I will give you some free advice- the only thing you should say after being arrested is "I want a lawyer". Know your rights
     
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  17. Topcat

    Topcat Got TORQUE?

    close it......JW had the last word and it is good enough for me !

    Peace WildBill
     
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  18. Smokey15

    Smokey15 So old that I use AARP bolts.

    Nope, life goes on with them feeling it was they who were wronged and their 'believers' feeling sorry for them. Sometimes you think you hear the whispers......"Ya know he/she was accused of.......I still wonder if he/she did it.
     
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