Now here's a HEATED discussion over a proposed 455 block for Olds..

...started by Nick Philippides on the possibility of the Olds community jumping on the band wagon for a new heavy duty block too...:eek2: These guys are at war over the DRCE block!!:blast::blast::blast:

http://www.realoldspower.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=9946270&start=0

.....and I thought we Buick guys had had a good one.....:grin:

 

Kerry, I didnt have time to read all the post, but cant they bolt their Olds stuff to the DRCE block??? I thought that block was a rebadged Rocket block?!?!?!

Michael

 

DRCE has much more in common w/ BBC than Olds

 

DRCE is a race only block that has nothing in common with Olds products at all except for the name and logo. Nothing bolts on. Its and all out competition piece that takes Pontiac Big Chiefs, Pro Stock Dart, etc. Production stuff won't do.

 

Dam that sucks, I thought the Olds and Pontiac guys had it better than us. Guess its just the Indian boys with the good stuff.

 

...I read it all...they get pretty darn nasty there, at least in comparison to what we have going here. Even our BBB 455 block thread was tame in comparison. :eek2:

 

I have several local friends on the Olds board. They tell me stories about the cat fights over there. And when the stories are done they just laugh and pop another cold one. I just look at 'em and say "You guys get along like a bunch of catty old women!! We don't behave like that on the Buick board and EVERYONE is welcome. You guys remind me of why I got away from Olds!!!":moonu:

 

The Olds guys better get it together because it looks like they'll need that new block soon :jd: .

 

WOW!!! Talk about LITERALLY waiting for a new block!!:jd:

That would be a sweet setup on ANY block - can't wait to see some with BUICK power!!:TU: :bglasses:

 

:grin:

There is one here on the board with a Twin Turbo Buick 455

Alan..... from the Dinosaur Gang!!!

http://www.thedinosaurgang.com/greencar.htm

I bet he's looking at our new proposed Buick Big Block, ahhhh the power of the BOOST!!


One question tho.. on the pic of that TT Olds eng,the box sitting between the air hat, and the intake manifold, would that be a innercooler? Water? odd place for it...

later

 

I used to belong to that page...I got so much grief about my Olds that it completly turned me off....if this is the way the Olds community treats each other, I'd rather sell the Olds. This board has some great members and they have always been nice to me..wether I meet them here, or at Buick meets. I have never been treated so terrible on realoldspower.com, if this is how they wanna run there page, it wont last that long. I'm glad I belong here, I'm also glad to own a Buick, but NEVER have I been treated badly here for owing a Trans Am, or an Olds. I read recently how they bashed some guy for putting in a Chevy in a G body Olds....made me wanna :spank: . If thats all someone can afford then to each is own...I have a 350 LT1 in my Trans Am...thats all I had at the time, but then again 425 HP is too hard to give up :laugh: . This board has a slew of information, wether is GM or not, after all, were all Americans...arent we? Just something to think about

Larry :TU:

 

Not really anyplace else to put it.

This sort of thing is getting to be a little more common too. Even with the extra plumbing involved and the extra weight, water to air is much more efficient. You get much better charge cooling and do it in a smaller space with water-to-air than you ever can with an air-to-air intercooler. Just to prove that this sort of thing is getting to be more common, here's a couple of examples:

Twin-supercharged Thunderbird:
http://www.toohighpsi.com/SCTC/88intake2.htm

3800SC intercooler:
http://www.thrashercharged.com/L67_htm/new_cooler.shtm

One of the big problems that you have with intercooling is pressure loss. You might be getting 20PSI out of the turbo, but once it goes through the process of cooling and getting pushed through all the tubing, you might only be getting 15PSI into the manifold. One of those massive front-mount units might cool the air pretty close to ambient, but in the process of letting the air expand to fill that area and then shoving it through all of those little tubes to cool, you will lose pressure. Also, the air gets denser as it cools, so it can lose more pressure as a result of the cooling.

With water-to-air, however, you can get much better cooling in a small area. This is because water absorbs heat from air much better than, well, air. Think about it: how long would it take you to boil a cup of water with a hairdrier? Since water can absorb more heat for the same volume, you can use a much smaller intercooler and achieve the same power. Case in point: The water-to-air intercooler that GM put in the Syclone/Typhoon was significantly smaller than the air-to-air one that they put in the GN, and the Sy/Ty had a significantly larger motor.

Another advantage of water is that it is pretty easy to chill outside of the car. For something like this, he probably has a tank of icewater that he pulls from instead of a radiator, so he can probably cool the air well below ambient. When you consider that a 10 degree drop in intake temperature is roughly equal to a full point of octane, this means that he can really crank the boost and have less chance of grenading his motor.

Looks like a cool setup. Love to have one on a Buick 455.

- Freed

 

I can tell you what that is!

The engine pictured is from the Hunt Bros. They are the ones who run the Real Olds Power website. It is a NASCAR block 350 that is a twin turbo, injected, alcohol monster that will be going in the frame rails of a dragster next spring. Estimates are in the 1600 hp range.

As far as needing a block, yea we need it!:TU:

 

:jd: thats it? just 1600 HP<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<:grin:

 

We're not crazy over there, just passionate about Olds power in Oldsmobiles. Sure there are a couple guys that do cross the line from time to time but that doesn't mean we're all psycho.:beer

I must admit it is kinda embarrasing sometimes but after all the dust settles its all ok. :TU:

Ante

 

Freedster
Thanks on the info.... I've been to that twin SuperCharged T-bird site before...gotta say impressive...for putting something together didn't exsit in the first place.
I would kill to have his access to a machine shop and his skills.

As for the inner cooling with water why didn't Buick run it on the GN's?
I do remember talking to Schmidtt? about his twin turbo GN powered Opel, he has one of those Water innercoolers he stated that the one tank inside the car is full of ice cold water and ice, buy the time he gets done with his run , he said is hot enough to boil potatoes .
Is that practical set up for a street car? or is his a needed innercooler for his application only.

Olds442GM , Jetstar and SmallHurst

Being a former owner of a Olds myself I do agree sometimes people do get out of hand with some remarks about our cars.
Mine was a 84 Olds Cutlass with a 231 Buick v-6 I'd actually planned on going the GN powered route till the expensense rulled it out, then found a 307 Olds, and put it in.
Then after a year of driving and the need for speed bug bit me, I had several machine shops and the guys I worked with ( at a Auto parts store) almost grilled me to death on putting a SBC in it's place instead of the 403 I planned on doing, well the 403 went in and after awhile I gained some respect in the lines that the car was all Olds and I took the time to detail it out right, It wasn't the fast car and It lost it's share of races, but when it got down to showing the car the SBC G-body "kids" seemed to hang out at my car and ask questions cause it was different and went away admireing my "passion" for it, not just looking at it.
When I was driving the GN same thing...yank it , put in a SBC it will run faster, you should have... or My freind/s sister's boyfriend's had one an it was a pile of "STUFF"... any how I proved and showd at lot of them otherwise and respectfully.
I hate seeing boards chewed up like that over there,I that happened on TB.COM, the Orginal GSCA board, it will happen and cause problems, but It seems in the end the whom ever starts it usually never gets to finish and goes away with less info or force compared to when they started.
Hang in there!!! They will cool down....
Good luck in the new OLDS Block quest , We've needed one over here In the Buick line and it finally happening, hopefully the Olds block will show up with same respect also.
I personally like the B.O.P. G-bodied cars and I "m currently registered on other Boards , like R.O.P. and Olds Power, currently looking for a G-body Pont G.P. board .
I would to be able to share what I know to all the boards in the particular G-body line and hopefully will.
OK said my bit now...

later

 

Looking and waiting and hoping! (and spending!)

 

The twin turbo Olds in the Pic belongs to me, its based off the Olds small block platform with 3.700 stroke and 4.130 bore, with GRP aluminum rods, Ross pistons and FAST sequentail wide band spark\fuel management system running on VP-C16. The box you see on top of the sheet metal manifold is three spearco water to air intercoolers, We are running twin T-76 Q trim tubos, power is expected to be in the 1650-1700 HP range. The motor is complete running. This is planted in the frame rails of my 244 inch RearEngine Dragster 1800lbs . Will be making a trip to MI for a dyno session with John Meaney. Thanks TD2593 :TU:

 

hmm... wonder if one of those would fit under the hood of my parents supercharged 99 rivera? the thing is fast for being completely stock to bad its driven with the wrong wheels..

nate

 

ahhh man i wanted to see what was going on, damn it, they locked it on me