My dealings with John Massoud..Not Good

Discussion in 'Buyer/Seller Feedback' started by copperheadgs1, May 3, 2012.

  1. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    No, they won't jack up his premiums...they'll CANCEL him.
     
  2. 71skylark3504v

    71skylark3504v Goin' Fast In Luxury!

    Doug, you're full of crap. You obviously have no common sense or business ethics. I have no dog in this fight, but you acted like nothing more than a bully.
     
  3. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    I learned this lesson the hard way many yrs ago when I gave a shop my motorcycle and payment up front for a tune up, tires. chain ect and had to take a cab ride home because it was my only transportation. After several months of not hearing from the shop and no calls answered I got another cab ride to the shop and found it closed and everything inside was being loaded into dumpsters to go to the scrap yard. I got my bike back in pieces and had to pay another shop to put it back together. Second shop didn't ask for a dime until my bike was complete. That was the shop I used for the next 20 yrs.
    I feel for everyone in this and hope it all comes out fair N square.
     
  4. Freakazoid

    Freakazoid Gold Level Contributor

    I guess you do now ? This is not the way to handle member disputes. We should listen and not bash each other. Doug just feels like he was ripped off. No need to call anyone else here A LIRE AND A BULLY for posting their opinion. And Vise versa.{ WE WERE NOT THERE } John has the option to reply with his side and justify what Doug got for his Money. And Yes, Not buddys, They were not there either. I would like to know. I Hope they can work it out.

    AND... I know If somone had my parts and that much time and my money, They better show me some progress on what I paid for. One should be proud to show off what work he has done. I do agree that somtimes things can take longer than expected. But at least show the customer some progress. I would hate to find out my machined parts were not paid for and left that long for pick up at some machine shop. Luckey they were not sold off for payment. Good luck
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2012
  5. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Well-Known Member

    Ummmm.......What? :Dou:
     
  6. Freakazoid

    Freakazoid Gold Level Contributor

    Edited the previous post to clarify the name typos and point. . Yes it was confusing.... { PEACE }.
     
  7. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Well-Known Member

    Hey its all good on my end. I just hope these to guys get it worked out. Cant be easy for either of them.
     
  8. Curtis Roys

    Curtis Roys Platinum Level Contributor

    I wasn't going to say anything till Doug started hammering Dave about how unknowing he was concerning the cost for building a motor. So here is my story and folks I never said anything about my dealings with John for the same reason as Chris. Everyone would be posting how great John is and what he's done for others like Doug. I can tell you the motor in Scott's car is the first motor I had John build and it went way over budget just as it was told here by Dave. The difference is I had the cash to pay the extra and it was my first encounter with John. The motor ran great as everyone knows but the cost was another story. $12k for a motor sounded like a decent price right? Except it ended up costing $17k.

    Now for my second story about the second motor John built for my Blue 70 GS 455 car. Same story except I went into this knowing the motor would cost approximately 17K which is what the first motor cost for Scott's car.

    Now the second motor: I waited and waited for the motor to be delivered and everytime I called John he needed more money so I foolishly continued to send more cash but I felt sorry for him because he was having to take care of his mother who was ill and pay her bills. After months and months of waiting, I found out where my heads were in Florida and called the shop. The gentleman was very nice about my problem but he would not realease them because John had not paid for them with the money I had fronted him, so I paid for the head job he was doing on the new TA heads I had purchased from TA and had them shipped to John. Now I'm thinking at last John will put this motor together and I will get the motor for my car. After waiting for another extended period and no returned phone calls from John, I finally tracked down the machine shop that had my parts and my motor. Same story: John had not paid them the money I sent to him for the machine work and assembly of the motor and they would not release the motor until they were paid. So I paid the machine shop so I could get my motor along with $350.00 to build a crate to ship the motor to me. Sad part of this is the dyno sheets were totally bogus so I truly have no idea what horsepower the motor makes. This motor ended up costing close to $20K but once again, fortunately I had the money to pay for it.

    Now the rest of the story: in 2009 I talked with John and he said he couldn't attend the GS Nationals because he didn't have the money. This gets better folks, not for my intellegence but for Johns ability to make you feel bad for him and my stupidity. I loaned him $1,500.00 so he could attend the Nationals and he promised to pay me back. I called him several times the first 18 months and asked if he was going to pay me and he said no problem Curt I'm just a little behind. I said at least send me $100.00 a month and I will be fine with that. He said he would. Then after a few more months, I finally told him "John if you're not going to pay me at least be man enough to tell me and I'll accept that". Well folks it 2012 and I haven't heard from John since then and I have not received a single dollar from John Massoud.

    Yes call me stupid or walking around without a brain but I still have faith in my fellow men and GS members. But John Massoud IS NOT a person that can be trusted. PERIOD! Now Doug I challenge you to hammer me like you hammered Dave because he did not deserve anyone to give him crap for trying to keep others from being taken by John Massoud.
     
  9. bignastyGS

    bignastyGS Maggot pilot

    Name calling and calling people out that have nothing in this but their opinions is intolerable. Dave stated his case and the facts and others rode the wave. Unfortunately the only 2 that have anything to say in this matter is Dave and John.The rest are either stirring the pot. Unless you have anything in this,You should just read the stated facts and keep your comments to yourself.
     
  10. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Well-Known Member

    Are you the kettle or the pot?
     
  11. bignastyGS

    bignastyGS Maggot pilot

    My point which was obviously missed,is that this is Dave and John's deal. Others like Curtis and Chris ,have a full right to comment because they have indeed been in a bad deal as well.But the other posts that are just along to stir it up should be quiet. I am not the kettle or pot. I too, have been in the Buick community since the 80's and know full well where this is heading. Honestly,I bet you can't find one engine builder,restorer or parts supplier that is 100% perfect. That is the reason for the Buyer/seller feedback.As long as the original poster states the facts ,the person being called out has the opportunity to respond in a way that isn't offensive. I just feel that the name calling goes on a little too far in some cases and friendships are destroyed. Is it really worth it? Especially if you had nothing involved in the situation. If you have pertinent dealings like Curtis and Chris,you should give the facts like posted.I see nothing wrong with Chris and Curtis's posts,it's some of the others that I shake my head at. That will ultimately be the reason this thread is closed,thus keeping vital info from people who may later be in the same deal. I have nothing at all in this but would like to see the guidelines followed ..
     
  12. tufbuick

    tufbuick RIP

    Must be slow at work aye Jim ? :bla:
     
  13. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for chiming in Curtis, you were the one I was talking about in post #20 " I know for fact that John screwed a very well respected buick fellow not once but 2 or 3 time for a bunch of cash." I hope all is going well my friend........

    ---------- Post added at 08:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:26 PM ----------

    Sorry Pat, I miss understood you. I will delete my post. Chris
     
  14. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    I totally disagree with what Pat is saying! If other people got screwed then what's the prob with letting people here know? I've been on the board about 1 + 1/2 years, this is like maybe the 5th thing like this I've seen. Bottom line...when you suck, you suck! If multiple peeps have been screwed by this guy, the board members have a right to know!
     
  15. sroys

    sroys Married to a Buick Girl!!

    WOW.....
    Well I guess I need to add "the rest of the story" to this saga...just read ALL OF THIS before you decide to start flaming.
    Last Saturday afternoon my phone rings..."BLOCKED" is the number it is from....turns out it is John. He asks how my eye is doing (just had surgery - public info on Face Book) and asks if I will defend his honor on the V8 forum because some guy is hammering him about a motor. I told him I would look at it and that was that.

    Talked to Dad today and mentioned this thread.....he posts his comments and lo and behold my phone rings again and BLOCKED is the caller. John tells me Dad has just nailed him and I asked him what about, he states that there was a ton of stuff. I remember my motor of course...because it took me forever to pay off the $17,500.00 it cost Dad so it would be mine, I did not know the whole story about Dads but anyway I asked John about the money Dad loaned him....he stated that it was a misunderstanding...so I stated that he should just call Dad and clear it up - simple right? He said he did not have the phone number...so I gave it to him. He stated that he would not call - some people just don't get it. Again I told him that if that was the case to call and Dad, if wrong would make a full retraction. He said it was not worth it.

    My motor had things wrong with it - used pieces that I received receipts for buying new parts for....only to later see John list the same new pieces in the parts for sale forum, but the kicker was Jim Weise - from this forum looking at my dyno sheet and telling me basically it was not worth the paper it was printed on. All of this has been let go and swept under the rug because John is a good guy...and it was just an isolated thing, or misunderstanding - until now.

    We made some good friends through the V8 forum...and every time we were at the Nationals - We all know building a Buick motor that makes any HP and stays together is expensive...We all know that things happen and you cant control everything or everyone in a build (unless you have a GREAT shop and a ton of money) We all know that John is a good guy, we all know that the stuff he does is on the side, but if you cannot admit when you are wrong, say your sorry and let it be then something else is wrong with the picture. It takes a big man to admit when he makes a mistake...John, your a pretty big guy....
     
  16. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Isn't that funny, I wanted him to call me and sort out his final payment for a very long time and he never called me back. Aren't you just the lucky dog Scott twice in one week.

    Hey John seems that you are keeping track of this thread, I paid your shipping bill with Rick so don't worry about it. Just incase you have been telling stories, after chasing you for months I figured out on my own that you had no money to finish paying me so I gave you a easy out with a offer to ship back the parts at my expense with a FULL refund of what you paid down on the parts with NO response yet again.

    I think we were all sponsoring your drag car, at least you could have put a decal on the car with are names on it:TU:
     
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  17. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I guess I had no idea how big this would get when I first posted the story. I am always sorry to here when anyone gets screwed. What I resent most is being looked at as someones cash cow when I as well as most people here work hard for a living and it is humiliating to feel you have been taken and then to admit it. Fact is that John was always there when he was looking for money and always wanted to meet me as soon as possible to give him a handful of green. After meeting him for the third time I told him I did not want to pay anymore until he finished the engine I never heard from him again. Another few fact about John is he does not work at home but always asks to use other peoples shops and tools as well. Has anyone actually seen him assemble an engine? John is a middle man and that is it. If John had taken my offer of paying me back $1000.00 instead of telling me where to go none of this would have happend. Bet you really think I am a pain in the ass now John.:moonu:
     
  18. Houndogforever

    Houndogforever Silver Level contributor

    Can somebody clarify what John Massoud's posting name is? Does he go by John Massoud? or what?

    I just want to know for the future
     
  19. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    http://www.v8buick.com/member.php?1870-john-massoud

    Guys, there are others to add to this list. It is just a case if the others want to come forward.........
     
  20. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!



    So what you are saying is in a nutshell copperhead is a PITA, and has no idea what it costs to build a motor. from what I can tell from your post John has lots of experience building BBB, from race motors to stockers. John quoted him 3500 bucks to build a motor. 3500 is pretty cheap, unless its a sbc. at 3500 bucks, as you say, its not even worth his time to build it. my question is- why the hell would he only quote him 3500 bucks?

    in my eyes john is to blame if he quoted the job so low he had no money left for himself or enough to pay the machine shop...
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2012

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