M20 vs. M21

Discussion in 'U-shift em' started by Brett Slater, Jan 23, 2019.

  1. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm in the early stages of gathering parts to build a motor that essentially mocks the one I built 30 years ago for my old red Stage 1.

    The plan is a "warmed over" Stage 1 motor that has some umph and may occasionally make a pass down the quarter mile. Since my Muncie is original to the car, using that isn't an option and it will be shelved. I have a lead on a M20 that I'll have rebuilt and was wondering how much of a noticeable difference there is between that and the M21?

    Rear end is 3.64. So, what say you?
     
  2. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    M20 will be "more street friendly/fun", better street gear ratios.

    Other than that, they are pretty much apples.
     
  3. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    One word.....

    Rockcrusher!

    (or is that 2 words?):D
     
  4. agetnt9

    agetnt9 Agetnt9 (Dan)

    m20 will feel better on the street. and better on clutch wear.
     
  5. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I would reccomend you check out an autogear trans before you put money into a stock muncie. Especially if you're planning on hitting the strip. For a few bucks more you can have a bulletproof trans and you can pick your ratios.
     
  6. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    The Autogear is tempting but strip time will be limited.

    Looks like the M20 will be the way to go.
     
  7. sriley531

    sriley531 Excommunicado

    Main difference is the M20 will have a steeper first gear and larger gear spreads than an M21. For a 3.64 rear either would be fine, but I too would probably go with the M20 gearset as you dont necessarily need the close ratios for your application.
     
  8. clutchracer

    clutchracer Well-Known Member

    Think they have m20 ratio gear sets available that are identical to the m22's angle pattern. Gotta have that whine!
     
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  9. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    That would be very cool.
     
  10. tsgp51

    tsgp51 Well-Known Member

    I have that gear set I'm my GSX, the whine is bad ass and the big block works great with the wide ratio gears.Also my brother shredded the input shaft and cluster gear on an m20 with a 455 in his GS. He wasn't even beating on it.They have a tough time with the big block torque. Tim
     
  11. Marv Marksberry

    Marv Marksberry Well-Known Member

    I am running a m22 with 3:90 gears and 12.5 X 29" tall tires in my GS. It's fun to drive. However, I have to take off easy so that I don't blow the tires off it.
     
  12. 8587GN

    8587GN Well-Known Member

    Autogear makes a M22-W, same gearset as a M20, with the strength of the M22. I have one for my GS,we'll see how it works later this summer when the car is finally finished
     
  13. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Tim,

    Where did you get that setup or is it the Autogear one mentioned above?
     
  14. sriley531

    sriley531 Excommunicado

    I too have a wide auto gear gearset in my car that is straighter cut like the m22's. It's not exactly an M20 ratio, it was tweaked slightly, but close.
     
  15. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Can either of you provide a link for this conversion?

    Thanks!
     
  16. sriley531

    sriley531 Excommunicado

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  17. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Literally just got off the phone with Paul. Ordered his book and DVD combo.
     
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  18. tsgp51

    tsgp51 Well-Known Member

    Brett, I got the gear set from autogear. It is a m22 wide ratio. I actually used the case from the m20 my brother blew up. I got the gear set , rebuild kit ,a steel center bearing carrier ,and a wider front bearing. It was $981 bucks in 2014 with shipping.
     

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  19. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I toured the autogear facility. Real nice guys and top notch work.
     
  20. sriley531

    sriley531 Excommunicado

    I bought and used Paul's video as a reference when rebuilding my first Muncie. It is very thorough and well done.
     

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