Is + wire that goes to coil a resistor wire?

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  1. staged67gspwr

    staged67gspwr "The Black Widow"

    Does anyone know if that + wire that goes to the coil from the engine harness is a resistor wire?

    Thanks
     
  2. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Some older points ignitions used an inline ballast resistor. If a ballast resistor isn't present, then yes, the positive wire to the coil has resistance built in, and can be measured when keyed on.

    Devon
     
  3. staged67gspwr

    staged67gspwr "The Black Widow"



    So,that would`nt be a good place to get 12v source for the MSD box correct?

    Thanks
     
  4. gusszgs

    gusszgs Well-Known Member

    Your 12 volt source for an MSD box should come direct from the battery.
     
  5. staged67gspwr

    staged67gspwr "The Black Widow"



    The one that goes to the battery is the thick red wire off the MSD box,the thinner red one is suppost to go to a 12V switched source to turn the box on and off,thats the one i`m refering to.

    Thanks
     
  6. BuickBuddy

    BuickBuddy Registered V8 Offender GK

    George if you are going to run an electronic ignition, be it msd or just a late model distributor, then you need to get rid of that resister wire all together. It'll only be about 9 volts there.

    I removed the harness block under the master cylinder, pulled the plug out that had the resister wire on it and soldered a new wire to it. Ran that to the where it T's with the starter's "start" wire. I left the resister wire in the harness just in case I ever went back to points. :TU:
     
  7. Dale

    Dale Sweepspear

    I don't believe the actual wire (pink) that attaches to the coil is the resistance wire, it's in the one the pink coil wire branches out from that comes out of firewall that contains the resistance properties.


    Your basic generic ignition diagram.
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    Starter engaged, full 12 volts to coil.
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    Run position, approx. 8 volts to coil.
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    That's the way I understood it.
    I replaced my pink wire to the coil with a piece of regular pink primary wire since the old one was cut at one time for a new terminal, and was stretched tight.
    Do I have it wrong?


    Edit: (looks like David beat me to it in posting.)
     
  8. Ken Mild

    Ken Mild King of 18 Year Resto's

    David, Where is that "T" with the start wire actually located? I have a 69. I think the start wire is purple right? How did you find which wire on the junction block was the resistor wire? How did it pull out without breaking? Does it stay attached to a spade? This location would have 12v at both crank and run position correct?
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Ken,
    The junction block comes apart from the front. There is a bolt or 2 clips holding it on. When you separate the front half, all of the wires clip into that front half with a barb connector. It looks like this.

    http://www.v8buick.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41814&d=1106615572

    If you compress the barb with a pair of needle nose pliers, the wire will pull right out through the front of the junction block. You then unsolder the barb and reuse it on your plain 14 gauge wire. It then clips back into the junction block which you replace on the firewall.

    The wire coming from the "R" or "I" terminal of the solenoid tees into the + coil wire. Remove that with the resistance wire. You no longer need it. It is the bypass wire, again, you don't need it anymore. You will have battery voltage in crank and run.
     
  10. BuickBuddy

    BuickBuddy Registered V8 Offender GK

    Ken the tee is in the harness that goes between the passenger valve cover and the intake. It's about half way. Mine was just above the center bolt of the valve cover inside the harness.
     
  11. Ken Mild

    Ken Mild King of 18 Year Resto's

    Larry, David, thanks! This electrical stuff is a real learning experience for me. I like grease and bolts. Wires intimidate me. :)
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    Which electronic ignition are you installing Ken?
     
  13. 71skylark3504v

    71skylark3504v Goin' Fast In Luxury!

    To add my experiences for one of the original questions: I used my old resistor wire for my 12 volt switched source for my MSD box and it has worked perfect ever since I had it on. No problems at all.:beers2:
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, that is because all that wire does is turn on the box. The MSD gets it's juice right from the battery.
     
  15. 71skylark3504v

    71skylark3504v Goin' Fast In Luxury!

    Well, that was the question asked.

    The one that goes to the battery is the thick red wire off the MSD box,the thinner red one is suppost to go to a 12V switched source to turn the box on and off,thats the one i`m refering to.

    Thanks
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Right but the resistor wire supplies less than 12 volts in the run position, and that is frequently enough to keep the box on.
     
  17. BuickBuddy

    BuickBuddy Registered V8 Offender GK

    Ya but I bet it don't like it. :pp
     
  18. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    I have mine converted to 12 volts constant, but I guess the box is either off or on, and as long as it stays on:)
     
  19. BadBrad

    BadBrad Got 4-speed?

    Works fine for years so far on mine. Why go to more trouble than necessary if it works?
     
  20. The Devil

    The Devil Well-Known Member

    The smaller gage red switching feed wire for the MSD boxes is set to work correctly with voltages between 6 to 16 volts. It's in the instructions.

    Regards,

    Milton
     

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