Maybe the dash emblem was part of the "Y41" GSX specific related parts. I do not have a break down of the individual parts of the Y41 package but it may be in there. o No:
Neither that code nor any other that I can see unless you tacked on to the B22 was on the interior build sheets. It fits B22 if there is one at all that was used. It seems like it is an item the interior builders would need to know.
Sorry bout the can of worms . My sheet only list : 580 3437 168 Ao1 B22 D35 55 M38 Funny they needed to know to do door emblems, but not a Dash emblem, or SCO. Perhaps this was already covered in your full article. DL
DL, It's not a can of worms, just some mis-understanding between friends. I will be finishing my response shortly, which should explain everything. Stay tuned, it's turning into a book. Duane
I still have copies of most of the info I compiled when I started the original GSX Registry back in the eighties. On the copies I have of GSX large build sheets (not sure exactly what they're called), the GSX "trim pad emblem" is listed as B22. I'm assuming this is where all the confusion is coming from. Can't wait to see Duane's explanation!
Here we go guys. Jim, You are not understanding what these build sheets were used for. Fisher Body developed them so when the shells arrived at the final assembly plant for “Buick”, the correct interior parts could be installed in the correct shell. Fisher built the shells, and trimmed the entire shell out, minus the front carpet, front seat, and firewall/dash-mounted assemblies. They were even water tested before they left Fisher. Then once the bodies were delivered to the Buick Final Assembly plant, Buick technicians installed the firewall components, and finished the car. These sheets, and I call them Fisher Body “cheat sheets”, were used to ID the parts for the Buick technicians. They had minimal info because all they needed to do was let the guys ID the specific cars on the line. The number assigned to the shell was written in yellow crayon on the driver side saddlebag. This same number corresponded to the number at the top of the “cheat sheet”, and this same number would also have been crayoned on the wheels for the chassis. Now here is where the system breaks down. Other then the California emission cars, all 70 gas tanks looked the same, and often the tech put the wrong tank under the car. This is why many build sheets are often 6 or so cars off. (This has been well documented.) What happened here is just like what happened to the gas tanks. All seats of the same type/color look alike, so if the techs were looking at a car with a deluxe black interior, with an automatic console, the only thing that would fit would be black bucket seats. There was no need to look at the tag to verify the correct seats, so seats destined for other cars were often substituted. I have seen many examples of cars with sheets that do not match the vehicle options, or the number crayoned onto the saddle bag, so obviously many cars do not have the correct seats they were destined to receive. What this means is if a GS was being built at the same time as a Skylark it could have received the other car’s seats. The only way you can possibly tell if the seat tag is correct is if the number on the driver side saddle bag matches the number at the top of the sheet, and you need to take the driver side fender off to see it. Now that all that is said, and we all understand what these sheets were, the codes listed are mostly UPC codes, and can be found in the assembly manuals. Here is how the posted tag (that was taken off a 70 GSX) decodes; 151 = Number assigned to the shell (Yellow crayon on the driver side saddle bag) 4437= Body style 44437, which decodes as a 70 Skylark Custom 188 = Black Deluxe front bucket seat interior A02 = tinted windshield only B22 = door panel emblem (In this case a Skylark Custom emblem) D55= long floor console (automatic) U80 = rear speaker Now from looking at the codes it is easy to see that this particular tag/seat was destined for a Skylark Custom and not a GSX, and it is also easy to see why it does not have the GSX specific code. The codes to ID a GSX dash emblem would not be found on this type of sheet, because Fisher Body developed the sheets and they were not the ones that installed the dash pad. Buick techs did that after they installed the dash/firewall components. (This could also be why any 71-72 GS with a rear spoiler ended up with a GSX dash emblem. The guys on the assembly line didn’t know if the car was receiving stripes or not, so they put the GSX emblems in “just in case”.) Now I hope this clears everything up. The last thing I need is to get calls from a bunch of people that think they have a GSX because they have “B22” on a build sheet. Duane PS. Dean is correct, the large "Body Shop Inspection Sheets" do indeed list "B22" UPC codes, with the text "Trim Pad Emblem". The problem is that this refers to the door panel emblems and not the DASH PAD EMBLEMS. I have a copy of a 1970 44637 with the B22 code and the color codes are 34-19. That sure doesn't sound like a 70 GSX.
I have a 1970 UPC code list from GM (Buick) and it lists B22 as "Emblem-Door Panel". No mention of of any specific GSX dash emblem UPC. If B22 is a generic "door panel emblem" code as Duane says it makes sense since the workers would (should) know what emblem would go on a GSX door panel o No: :Comp:
Jim, After all that I can't believe you can't figure this out. If you look up the UPC code B22 in your 70 assembly manual on pages 0-12.23 & 0-12.24 It reads "B22 - Inter. Panel Door Emblem", and if you look at the body models you will see the same code applies to both GS & Skylark Custom door panels. No mention of dash pads there. Duane
Since the GSX's introduction was post mid year I thought maybe the GSX dash emblem was included in that B22 code later. Seems reasonable to me and the sheet Dean posted seems to support this thought.
Jim, I don't believe that is the case. I have several versions of the 1970 Assembly Manuals and the UPC/Sales code sheets I am using are dated December 22, 1969, which was the last revision for the year. These same sheets also list on page 0-12.21 "WD6 Special GSX Paint-No Charge", which refers to the Saturn Yellow paint code, and further back in the book, it shows the GSX painting schemes, therefore the GSX info was already included in these sheets. I also have copies of the Original Factory "Buick Engineering Change" sheets dated 11-21-69, which outline the necessary engineering changes to the Assembly manuals that were created due to the introduction of the GSX. It was these sheets that created the need to revise Section "0" of the assembly manual on 12-22-69. (The dash pad emblem is also grouped under the Y41 option on these sheets.) The reason for the proposed engineering change is priceless and I quote, "To offer optional equipment that will attract the youth market and be comparable to options offered by Oldsmobile and Pontiac." Duane
All of my 1970 Production Body sheet(non flint, not technically build sheets I know) all list B22 as "C/TRM INR PNL" and thats on all 9 sheets I have from Leeds built Buick's that all had the Custom Trimmed Interior. My base interior equipped 70 GS 455 does not have the B22 UPC. So does that mean the UPC code stands for different items for different plants or am I just to assume it means the emblem on the door panel? Sorry to get off the Flint track.
Chris, The B22 code was used to denote that a door panel emblem was required, that's all. The type of emblem depended on the body style number and interior combination number. The various plants coded their parts differently, some may have used a 3 digit number, while others used letter codes or paint colors. Some plants listed no codes (they often put a "-" (dash) in the space) for what they considered the "base" model, and only listed the codes if 2 or more "optional" pieces could have been used. (ie, if there was only 1 piece that was available then why give it a code) Figuring all this out, especially between different plants, can at times get interesting. Duane
I think this crap is very interesting. I am a history buff for sure. I love all the wierd combinations that crop up. I also think it is cool that you could actually get a car made that was exactly how you wanted it back in the day. Nowadays you have about 5 option packages to pick from plus color. Thanks for the info guys. Always something new to delve into!
Chris, Leeds was run by the General Motors Assembly Division (GMAD), that style build sheet is approximately 8 1/2" x 11" and will have 100 plus numbered blocks for information. If that is what you have then they are the build sheets for your cars. Duane
my hipo convertible has one of those sheets, my blue 70 GS coupe has one, and 2 parts cars also have one plus 5 more from part out victims. Plus the two elcaminos that were next in line from both the convertible and the GS donated their buildsheets to the seat springs under the rear seat cushions. Apparently ElCaminos must have been harder to put sheets in. (no back seats?) Interesting stuff and thanks for the info!
