I weighed my 73 LeSabre today and 300hp should be enough to get into the 13s

Discussion in 'A boatload of fun' started by garybuick, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    nice quote Jim! so 15% loss is what I should figure. What is that then about 360hp? kinda getting out of range for the 350. Id like a nice smooth idle at the stop sign.
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    So you are going to convert your car to a stick?
     
  3. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    Well it would make my car interesting instead of just another boring 73 lesabre. Ive been following the munice 3 speed threads lately. Its not ike my car is worth anything stock. Itd be funner to drive.
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You have to be pretty good with a stick to power shift it at the track. It is also much harder to launch a stick car and get a good 60' time. Both of those things are going to work against your plans for 13's. That's assuming you have the HP to do it.
     
  5. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    what I lose of shifting speed i gain in less hp lost to the auto. Plus the fun factor. But could a 350 do it and have a nice smooth idle?
     
  6. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler


    did it have a smooth idle? and what MPG did you get on the highway?
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    No. If you had the ported 350 aluminum heads with a nice cam, then I would say yes. It would not have a smooth idle. A smaller engine needs more cam. More cam means lopey idle.

    Have you ever made a pass at the track? Most times, things do not go as planned and Murphy's Law applies. The track will reveal all the weak links in your combination. It takes persistence and tuning to get where you want to be. When it comes to E.T., the 60' time is very important. The efficiency of a manual transmission will not make up for traction problems and shifting difficulties. Like Sean said, forced induction or a 455 will get you to your goal easiest.
     
  8. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    I feel I need to be 13s to be respectable. If manual transmission is so bad then why did the factory muscle cars come with 4 speeds instead of auto on the column? The only other alternative is the 200r4 right? I know you have the turbo with GV but thats expensive. A 3 speed setup would be much cheaper and the cool factor would make my low level undesirable car more valuable. THe WTF factor. But if a 350 has to be lopey to do it then forget it. I have to go 455 all in.
     
  9. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Sean always likes to exclude adding cubes to a sbb for some reason, which would be yet another way to calm down the idle while being able to obtain his goals.



    Derek
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Gary, they aren't so bad, and they are cool. They are much harder to make a pass with. They also break more parts. Talk to anyone who races a manual transmission at the track and they will tell you. Much easier to launch an automatic. Very difficult to outshift an automatic as well, but some guys are really good at it. If you are not, you will lose LOTS of E.T.

    I would make a pass with your car just the way it is and see how you do. That will give you an idea about what you are endeavoring to do.

    Yes, the idle will have to be lopey unless your heads flow great. That can happen with the aluminum heads I think, but not with stock unported heads.
     
  11. 300sbb_overkill

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  12. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    Ill see where they have those tracks around here. I know there is one not too far from me where the fellas go to race each other. It is inconceivable to me to be able to take apart an automatic transmission and put it back together. I barely undrestand how the thing works. A manual on the otherhand is doable to me. Its gears and nuts and bolts and clips. I feel like I could work with it if there are problems. I can learn to shift. Just a skill that can be learned. I have been driving stick my whole life so I dont see why I couldnt learn to shift skillfully for 1/8 or 1/4 mile. Id rather do 1/8 anyway where I would only need one shift.
     
  13. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I'm sure you could. Remember I told you the 1st 60' is very important to E.T.? With a stick, you have to get the RPM exactly right with sticky tires. Too high and you spin, too low, and you bog. Either way, there goes your E.T.
     
  14. Smartin

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  15. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    Yes I remember. Thats the funnest part of the race. The launch! So its just a matter of feathering it and knowing the rpm to use right? Couldnt manual be an advantage though because you have adjustable launch rpm depending on track and weather conditions, tires etc. ?
     
  16. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

  17. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Its a disadvantage. Automatics don't miss shifts. :grin:
     
  18. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    You need to rev it up and drop the clutch. Like I said, too high and you spin, too low and you bog. Either way, the 60' is bad, and there goes your E.T. Running 13's with a 350 is possible, but it is not easy. To run 13's, you'll need a trap speed in the higher 90's. That's why I think you should get the car down the track now to see where you are now and how far you need to go.
     
  19. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    I was having fuel delivery issues then, and didn't know it. I ended up using a Holley red electric pump near the tank to push fuel. The TA mechanical pump couldn't keep up with the demand.
     
  20. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    true but Larry said the the first 60 feet are the most important so I was thinking since you can launch at whatever rpm you want with a manual it may have an advantage in launch.
     

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