I know it's true, but it's still kinda depressing to see it in print...

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Freedster, Feb 24, 2003.

  1. Freedster

    Freedster Registered User (2002)

  2. jeff bullock

    jeff bullock Dare to be different !!!

    Shoot him now,shoot him now!You stay outta this he doesn't have to shoot you now."Well I say he does have to shoot me now!So shoot me now!":grin:
     
  3. Freedster

    Freedster Registered User (2002)

    WHAT?!?

     
  4. Buick_350X

    Buick_350X Guest

    I really dont get how most of these guys spend 5-15,000 on a car then another 3-5,000 just too make it as fast as a 1,000 Camaro?????

    At first it was cause it was cheaper but now rice cost more than building a real racecar. Gimme 10,000 and Ill build one hell of a car.

    -Matt


    P.S.

    We should through that 1/8 miles BS into that group too. How many times have you seen ricer driving around town with what looks like good times until you see the 1/8 mile mark.

    1/8 miles os so so so lame. Make it longer not shorter of anything. Ids like too see some 1/2 or full mile drags. With the wagon I need an extra 1/4 miles or so.
     
  5. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    That's a bugs buggy / daffy duck exchange, with the indecisive Elmer Fudd holding the shotgun. Guess who gets shot?

    I may not know my cars, but I know my cartoons.

    -- Steve
     
  6. jeff bullock

    jeff bullock Dare to be different !!!

    Thank you Steve,Iknew somebody would recognize that.That was my way of saying I don't approve of the ricer market hype.:laugh:
     
  7. BadBrad

    BadBrad Got 4-speed?

    I seriously doubt though that in 20+ years Hot August Nights will be dominated by rice cars. They will NEVER achieve classic or collectible status like our vehicles and those that came before. Too many have been sold and they were never "special" from the factory. Sorry rice - your vehicles just won't appreciate in value. Nobody will dig one out of a bone yard to see it preserved for posterity rather than watch it crushed into the junk it was destined to be. Can you envision the advertisement in 20 years:
    For Sale - Numbers Matching 1995 Honda Civic, factory A/C, 4-cyl. v-tec. power windows, 70,000 original owner miles, factory paint, $17,500 obo.

    I'm sorry - this is making me laugh too much. I must stop now!!!

    :laugh:
     
  8. John Eberly

    John Eberly Well-Known Member

    I Dunno, Brad -

    Nobody pays that kind of dough for a 4-door skylark, but they will for a GSX.

    Nobody will pay megabucks for a Subaru Outback in 25 years, but they might for a cherry WRX.

    The guys in their tri-five chebbies and deuce coupes never thought musclecars would be worth anything, but they were wrong. It is all about the emotional attachment the teenage kids make to their POS beaters, and then they try to recapture youth when they have lots of bucks.

    I think there will be some kind of a market for ricers in 20 years or so, and the cars will probably be a lot better put together than what we see now, just like our cars are better than the bondo buggies we had in high school.

    I do think that it's sad that these kids build their cars with Daddy's Visa card, and pay more attention to the sound system than anything else. They are also gullible and buy any stupid thing that's in style. But they're not so different from us all those years ago...
     
  9. Leviathan

    Leviathan Inmate of the Month

    ...Disco, Boogey Vans, Big-hair, Rice Rockets...

    Period-piece fads with no quality or "timelessness". Your 3 year old "new car" is frowned upon, your 30 year old classic gets whistles. Why?

    Compare a Rolex and a calculator-watch...
     
  10. mygrain

    mygrain quivering member

    Honestly, I think the acura integra type r will become valuable someday. Turbo supras are appreciating, as are RX7s. Nissan skylines are a 80k dollar car in the US. I am able to face the reality that some collectors are going to value a japanese car. People pay huge bucks for some ferraris. My dad had a 308 ferrari and it was a slow peice of ****.
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  11. BuickStreet

    BuickStreet Well-Known Member

    Pet Hate:

    Using the term "Hot Rod" when not referring to a pre-'49 modified.

    Boils my blood. :af:
     
  12. Da Torquester.

    Da Torquester. Platinum Level Contributor

    I'm not really in to Japanese Compacts for drag racing, but in all fairness there really aren't a whole lot of classic musclecars left for today's youth to chose from. Board member Steve Everist and I were talking about this Sun. at the race track here in Kent Wa. Some of the smarter kids who really want more power for their dollar are going with the 5.0 Mustangs. I happen to think this is definately the smarter choice over an import. Out of the many imports that were there, only about three were in the 13's and 12's. Interestingly enough these cars didn't have all the typical garbage on them such as the big wing, Fart can, and graphics. They were very unassuming and sleeper oriented. ( with the exception of slicks up front. ) However, when paired up to a Mustang 5.0 with less mods. under the hood, they usually would lose badly at the starting line. The Mustang would be well on its way while the ricer was frantically going though gears as fast as possible at the beginning of the track. In my opinion the kids of today choose compacts for cultural reasons. If they really wanted the most horsepower for their dollar, the choice would be obvious. There's nothing wrong with trying to modify a compact, but dollar/horsepowerwise it's not the logical choice.
    Just an opinion. John :)
     
  13. tlivingd

    tlivingd BIG BLOCK, THE ANTI PRIUS

    sigh....

    as being a 23 yr old and my first car being an import my 87 accord. the honda is a nice car to drive already corners better than my skylark has more creature comforts. I'd much rather drive it in conjestion because 1. it stops a lil bit better 2. its a lot nicer to weave in and out of traffic. Its already a very decent machine for tuning on and it not being an injected car it was never really a performance vehicle along with 4 doors (though the import guys want my block and heads) (guess the american heads were better than the japanese ones on the carbed engine instead of the injected.) and doing this swap is classic hot rodding heck the old merc's from the day you'd be driving mom and dads old ride then want to spruce it up a bit by doing something to it either engine, (carbs, exaust, intake) or you'd get chopped and channeled they were also built in an era where more people were shop oriented and not computer oriented and did a lot of the work themself. My neighbor whos an import mechanic (saab, volvo, some VW's) had a guy want a bunch of after market equipment installed on his 3 week old VW (header back, nitrous, clutch, lowering springs, wheels/tires) he was in about 6 months later to have a lot of it removed. the guy didnt know how to change a tire so he had them do it thats where it gets confusing. anyways...

    I understand where they are coming from. they are starting with cars that do handle better.

    although it is true i'd only need to spend about a grand to get my suspension tuned to corner better (rear torson bar, stiffer lower springs, and larger front torsion bar) and i'd need to spend 300 on exaust and another 300 on carb work (currently a 2bbl) then can blow the doors off of most hondas and espically the ones that like to strap on the plastic and fake intercoolers... then there are the guys who spend a bundle just to get a few HP no i don't understand

    part of the import croud is that they are part of a sea of millions of simmilar cars and they think the plastic looks cool. most haven't been exposed to the "classic hotrod market"

    the guys i respect are the clean cars that are sleepers or just changeing some of the lines of the car. there are some very tastefully done imports. and then some extremely outragous ones. everyone compares the whole thing to fast and the furious. ok.. but what about the classic in that? runs 9's if i recall correctly? It in a way is gawdy too with the giant blower out the hood not so much to us. but to them it can be.

    there are the occasional suprises though with the people who leave the body completely alone new wheels/tires and about 1 inch lower and a reallly firm ride. it was a girl in a neon and wow... as she was slowing to turn into a store i passed and saw a lil one inch high SCCA sticker on the side right above the bumper strip on the doors just thought to myself.. there is a hot rodder...

    and about the kids with there laptops... yea I'm one of them, I'm using it as I write this. and yes when i build my 67 poncho it will be an injected big block. (sorry guys) It will also have a programable curve (on the fly) built in computer system to control ignition/fuel and the stereo equipment, and if i feel ambitious the heating/cooling system. along with custom dashboard. and screw the autometer gauges it will also be a computer screen itself. and infinitely adjustable (kinda like a winamp skin) heck while I'm at it how about air ride suspension to compensate for speeds and forces at each of the wheels (like lincon mark 8)

    all just ideas...... but all of it is doable with technology now.



    alright enough ranting and randomness

    Nate
     
  14. BuickStreet

    BuickStreet Well-Known Member

    I think an injected 455 Buick in a poncho is a fine idea - nothing to apologise for.
     
  15. rtabish

    rtabish Well-Known Member

    just to change the direction a little i saw a 67 datsun 2 door go for $5k. the little boxy geek car that nerd you knew in high school drove, remember how you and your buddys would pick it [ or the v-dub, or the mini cooper or the other little imports] up and set it sideways between two unmovable objects. somebody likes these cars as classics too! "one mans treasure....."
     
  16. BigBadBuford

    BigBadBuford Well-Known Member

    I'm 22 and my first car was my Skylark. I've also had a few "rice" cars, an '86 GTI, a '95 Nissan 240SX, and some people might consider my 350Z rice as well. I think my Buick is probably my favorite out of all of them, I love the sound, the power, the heavily boosted steering, etc.. it is the perfect cruiser and a great race car. The problem is, it takes a LOT of money and a LOT of time to have a nice muscle car, especially if you plan on driving it everyday. I drove mine during high school and it about ran me broke fixing things and souping it up. A lot of these kids now don't do their own work and can only afford to have 1 car so a muscle car isn't a very practical daily driver.
    The imports are pretty nice cars for a few reasons. The ones I had almost never broke, you just had to change the oil, put in gas and drive them which was nice, plus the gas mileage was great. Plus, they are fairly cheap to insure. Souping up a new import isn't really like an old musclecar. I put an exhaust on my 240SX and it was 2 bolts to hook it up! About 35 minutes and you are done. Even doing a header was fairly easy. Plus, they handle and stop a lot better than a stock Skylark. The biggest thing I don't like about imports is FWD, so I always stuck to RWD imports like the 240SX and the 350Z and they actually make pretty decent drag racers too.
    The other reason I think a lot of these kids don't like domestics is because they have never really been in one. If you grew up in a Honda w/ no torque a VTEC motor probably feels pretty good, but I don't know how anyone could drive a big block car and not totally love the effortless torque. Even the 350Z feels pretty weak compared to my Buick. I don't know how any of those ricers could truthfully say they hate torque after driving a 455 powered car!
     
  17. Leviathan

    Leviathan Inmate of the Month

    I don't think anyone is annoyed with people driving import cars, or even going for performance on them. It's the fact that a certain attitude is slowly eroding our passion.

    The sort of person who's more of a "Car Bragger" than a "Car Guy". They're the uninterested person who throws the latest "gadgets" on thier car, not to improve thier quarter mile or compete with thier buddies, but only to brag about thier unproven performance. They'd rather belive what thier magazines say than go to the track and prove it.

    ...and that alone is fine by me. If that's what you enjoy in life, great, go for it! You're building your car only to talk about it, not drive it, go for it, hey I'd congratulate you for having the best of the ricers!

    ...but...

    All too often these unmodified, unproven, untested cars are touted as true performance cars. This is the problem.

    They buy unproven products without researching them, giving rise to a whole host of shady suppliers. They try to get track times removed from point statistics at the local Friday night races. Without reading on track techniques, and no interest in competition they drive through traffic purely to look cool, putting lives at risk and getting the law aroused to clamp down on the whole pass time. Instead of creating thier own genre of literature about thier cars they are trying to get time in Hot Rod, or on My Classic Car.

    It's this threat to something we all spend our lives on that is insulting, and disgusting...not the import cars.

    You're proud of your car... of the hours, time, and sacrafices you've made to build it. Then someone walks up having done none of this and insults you by claiming they are on equal footing with you.

    I'm no master, but I love the sport and I earned my performance. I'll be proud of anyone else who does the same, be it Buick or civic.
     
  18. Shortymac83

    Shortymac83 Not Your Father's Olds!

    Pat Gahnal is an idiot. Hot rodders weren't just changing exhaust, wheels and stuff, the original 'rodders didn't care much about what the body looked like at all. That's why you get rat rods and primer queens. They were taking the 4 bangers OUT of deuces and stuff and dropping in Caddy and Olds OHV V-8's, and Flatties. They were after more power at the expense of fancy wheels and paint, and gauges everywhere. Oh, and about all of the really fast cars in The fast and idiotic, a reader in Car Craft wrote in and said: The Charger throws a rod and the ricer takes 2 hits of nitrous just to stay up. Even in a movie about ricers they get some things right. :Brow:
     
  19. brblx

    brblx clueless

    The mustang 'tuners' fall into three catgories- 1) bone stock V8 with maybe a set of flowmasters(many), 2) souped up V8's that they've torn apart with their own two hands(very rare), or 3)ugly, riced out piece of crap with stickers and body kits, often not even a 5.0/4.6 car(practically all foxes around here and some newer ones)

    I'm 17- I put up with this crap every day. If it's not the lowered honda civic with checkerboard body parts and fake hood pins, it's the V6 camaro with fake Z28 emblems and no mufflers. At my school we have a grand total of two muscle cars (my skylark and a '66 chevelle) and an innumable amount of rice, foreign and domestic. Sure, it's nice to be able to say I have the fastest car in the school, but that's like going to Chucky Cheese to beat up little kids.

    Sure, WRX's and Cosworth Focuses might be cool rally racers, but these people need a reality check- your 110hp honda civic is NOT a 300hp+ AWD car with monster handling.
     
  20. Dale

    Dale Sweepspear

    :laugh: :Brow:
    Ahh Yes!.....Or wheeling it like a wheelbarrel to another location.
    Lots of fun! Right up there with removing the driveshaft from the unsuspecting. :Brow:


    :grin: And were is the challenge in that?
    No fun!

    I don't know, on one hand I'm glad there are High School kids who are motorheads.
    It's a ray of hope!
    On the other, I think its because of my age that I still think of all japanese cars and the like as econoboxes.
    I don't care how much they dress them up. They're still puddle jumpers.
    It's the mediocrity that they project.:gt:
     

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