Google is arguably the largest resource of information in the world. Why the hell would you not use it? Do you ever grow tired of patting yourself on the back?
We adapt to what we need. You are not behind if you are not seeing those types of vehicles. I’ve read your posts in the past - you are well-versed. The body shop sublets give us a first-look opportunity at new technologies, and our learning curve is on the insurance company’s dime. Sublet work is a whole different animal when it comes to insurance billing. We aren’t paid directly buy any insurance company. The OEM “scan-tooling” is basically 3 parts: the first part is purchasing, the second part is the learning curve, and the third part is ROI. The first part is the easiest (I still have to chuckle at the “can’t afford a Zeus” comment lol). When these types of vehicles come off of warranty (some already are) and start coming in as customer-pay, we are ready for them. In almost 35 of auto repair, the last 5 years has seen the most change in terms of technology IMO, and is hasn’t been linear change, it’s been exponential. Most body shops stand no chance in tackling the technology and make no bones about it. So they are left dealing with the dealers, and in general (at least around here), those relationships are anything but productive. So we filled a void. The only thing this one particular chain that we do a lot of work for does is remote pre and post scanning through As-Tech. That’s another story for another time.
Who says we don’t use Google? To answer that question would be another long, defensive post with more “back-patting” in your eyes. So why don’t you Google how I use Google and why?
So you "lol" and take a jab at him for using google, but you also use google... but it must be cool when you do it? Quite a huge double standard!
Ha, just last night I had a very good retail customer come in... he can pretty much fix anything. He just bought this 08’ Grand Prix to flip and the engine light was on. He scanned it himself and the code was for a evaporated vent valve solenoid, so he wanted to buy one. Told him that just means there’s a leak in the system, probably should take to a shop and get it smoke tested...could be even be as small as a leaking gas cap. So he left but in a few minutes came back in. Says the gas cap is missing!
FINALLY Someone said it, ASE, ICAR, and any other "tests" DONT MEAN DICK! All it means is you got most of the answers on the test correct. I had a mechanic friend that took the ASE test for diesels back in the early 90's, he knew NOTHING about diesels, but he passed
LMAO, and what does a left tail light have to do with a transmission, or a back up camera have to do with engine temp?? I honestly believe the OEM's have lost control of electrical wiring. They have soooooooooo much **** to power, "hey we need power for the drivers seat, mmmmmm, pick it up from the master power window switch" "We need a ground for the fuel pump and sender assy, mmmmmmm, ahhhhh, ****, ground it thru the tail lamp module" "How the hell they gonna write the service manual wiring schematic? I dunno, bunch of squiggly lines I suppose" There is NO rhyme or reason to this vomit laden toilet bowl of electronics. By themselves these individual components probably would work fine, but jammed altogether, there aren't enough individual circuits to properly feed these, they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, and they're leaving it up to you repair guys to figure out what/where we (the OEM's) screwed up. Im DAMN sure Nissan didn't say in the flow chart "if the CVT trans is bunching your panties, check the left tail light."
No Nissan just wont say anything about any issue, just like they all do sweep it under the rug till it gets bad enough to explode then clean the **** up later. All they care about is it gets past warranty ....band aid it shove it out the door. If it comes back band aid it again.
Both the Nissan issue and Hyundai issue were shorts in components that were on bussed communication systems. The Nissan was the taillight had a signal bussed into PCM/TCM via the trans range sensor, and the Hyundai had strange multiplexing system where the back-up camera had bussed data into the instrument cluster, and so did the PCM. The corrupt data prevented the PCM from grounding the coolant fan relay. Unplugging each component restored proper operation, and used parts resolved the issues. The Hyundai’s CAN communication systems are very strange, and there is very little diagnostic info on how to diagnose them.
Joe, like I said, I am not going to spell it all out. If you’re so damn smart, figure it out for yourself, and troll/instigate somewhere else. You don’t know what you don’t know. Leave it at that.
That's because they (the OEM's) probably didn't figure there would be an issue, OR they really wouldn't know how one system could possibly effect another totally unrelated system. Bob, not to give yah a big head, but I will, But your probably smarter, and more intuitive than the engineers that designed those systems. Just because they're "engineers" at an automobile manufacturer, doesn't mean they're smart, only that they answered the questions on the test and or application correctly
