Found this in my GSX

Discussion in 'The "Paper Trail"' started by slherbert, Dec 2, 2010.

  1. slherbert

    slherbert Well-Known Member

    I found this handwritten piece of paper under the carpet in my 70 GSX. Can anyone tell me if this is considered a build sheet?
     

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  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Yes but just for the interior. Sometimes they are not for the right car.

    On your car the handwriting in the bottom right may be Y41 and if so it is for a GSX.
     
  3. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    It also mentions A01 which is tinted glass and M40 which is turbo 400 transmission. This sheet would be from Fisher As I beleive they put in the glass. Fisher often put in a bigger build sheet as I found a huge one under my sound deadner. Maybe a line worker just wrote down the options on that paper and never bothered to put in the big one.
     
  4. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Not sure if you want to hear this but it also lists B22 which is I believe is the dash emblem. It is the same as mine from my build sheet and it states trim pad emblem which is regular Buick emblem. I would think GSX had another code. Is your car a 70 with QQ or 10 10 paint code?
     
  5. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Here is my Fiher build sheet showing some of the same codes. Note the B22 code. There is also a Y code for custom rear shelf.
     

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  6. Matt Knutson

    Matt Knutson Well-Known Member

    I found this very same sheet in the rear panel of the seat... both my bucket seat cars. 1 '71 GS455 and 1 '70 Skylark convert. Both Flint assembly plants.
     
  7. Duane

    Duane Member

    Dave,
    Not sure if you want to hear this but some of your info is wrong, as is your thinking the tag is not for a GSX.

    That is what I call a Fisher Body "Cheat sheat". It is found if Flint built cars only, and was use by Fisher to make sure the correct seats would go in the correct cars.

    That was the idea for the tag, but the reality was all black bucket seats look alike, so it is very common to find the wrong seats put into the wrong car.

    There is no partial "vin" number on the tag so the only way you can tell if it is the correct tag for the car is to take off the driverside front fender and see if the circled number at the top of the tag (internal car sequence number) is the same as the number crayoned on the saddle bag. Otherwise all you can prove is that the seat was supposed to go in a GSX.

    As far as B22,
    That is the UPC code for a door panel emblem, not a dash emblem. Plus that code will not even tell you which door panel emblem was used, it only means that it got one.

    So a B22 code on a GS would mean the car got "GS" door panel emblems, while a "B22" code on a Skylark Custom meant it got those emblems.
    Duane
     
  8. slherbert

    slherbert Well-Known Member

    Dave,

    The car is QQ paint code and I just bought it from the original owner. The sheet also states yellow and rear spoiler.
     
  9. gsxnut

    gsxnut Well-Known Member

    If you just purchased your car please register the car at www.buickgsx.net. I have worked on the registry for well over 10 years. You will get some really cool information and it is complete confidential and free.

    Mark
     
  10. 71GSX455-4SPD

    71GSX455-4SPD Nick Serwo Magic Car

    Duane may not remember, but at the Berwyn Bash, he reached under my pasenger seat and pulled out a similiar piece of paper wedged between the seat springs. As we sat there in my well "patina'd" bucket seat car with consolette and 4-gear console, he proceeded to tell me the paper said I had a black bench car! We both had a good laugh.

    Although I kept the paper for nostalgia stake, it's about as good as my P-O-P, which has the code for a wagon 350 single exhaust motor stamped into it. They were slapping these things together and didn't always get it right.
     
  11. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Duane, were not the 70 and 71 door panels emblems different??? Are the door panles a trim pad?
     
  12. Duane

    Duane Member

    Dave,
    Is this a quiz?

    "Duane, were not the 70 and 71 door panels emblems different???"

    Yeah, so what's your point? I think the dash pad emblems were also different.

    "Are the door panels a trim pad?"

    I guess according to your "Body Shop Inspection Sheet" the Fisher Body people who designed the sheet figured they were.

    If you look up pages 0-12.27 thru 0-12.29 in your 71 Assembly manual you will understand what the UPC code "B22" means
    ................................................. Also when you look it up check out the different body styles the code is used for and you will see the same code was used to designate different door panel emblems.

    Let me know when you figure it out.
    Duane

    PS. You can find this same info in the 70 Assembly manuals as well.
     
  13. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Got you. Looks like door panel emblem used on most models. I never noticed it in there. Strange they would use that code when it could mean different emblems.
     
  14. Duane

    Duane Member

    Dave,
    Yeah it's wierd, it almost appears like Fisher used it to designate the cars that got emblems, but figured their "workers" knew which emblems were correct.

    I would bet the 68 Chevelles that came with deluxe interiors (actually Buick Custom Interiors) did not have the "B22" designation because they would have had emblem delete door panels. Otherwise they would have come with Buick emblems, and the Chevy guys would have freaked.

    I see these Fisher "Cheat Sheets" in many 70-71 cars that were built at Flint, and many of the 70 GSX's had the "Y41" code really scribbled badly like on this sheet. You would almost swear they were written by the same guy.

    The ones from Fremont used a totally different form, and the Framingham cars used the front 1/3rd of the full GMAD buildsheet, but they were GMAD plants and did things differently.
    Duane
     
  15. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Duane, I find pieces of thes from time to time injunk cars bet never an entire one. What was the tag hog ringed to the rear seat? I find pieces of those as well.
     
  16. Duane

    Duane Member

    Dave,
    Framingham Mass was the home plant for your area so the sheets you are finding I call Framingham "Thirds".

    What they did was take the large GMAD Buildsheets and cut off the last 2/3rds of the sheet. All the interior info was included on the front 1/3rd so that was all Fisher Body needed to fit out the body shell.

    Like you said they were hog ringed to the rear sheat, while the small sheet this thread is about, was tucked up under the springs on the passenger side seats.

    You sometime find the Fremont version of this tag also attached to the rear seats.

    Different plants used different "buildsheet" forms and placed them in different locations in the vehicles. Plus even when they used the same forms they often coded the parts differently on the sheets.
    Duane
     
  17. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    You are correct Duane, I guess I find these mostly in Famingham cars but also a good number of Skylark Customs up here made in Flint. I have not found those tags in those. I know were two Flint cars are in yards here. There were 4 but two got crushed. Another note is they all(Flint) have unpainted data tags to add to that debate. Framinghams are painted on the junkers I know of.
     
  18. Duane

    Duane Member

    Dave,
    Next time you see a "Flint" car in a yard get a flashlight and peek under the front seat on the passenger side. The paper tag should be between the burlap and the springs.
    Duane
     
  19. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Duane, I was just in the yard and took the power window regualtors out of the rear qtrs. I will have to check next time I get back. Not sure if it will be before the snow flies here.
     
  20. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I also got the date coded very late LOF rear windshield out of that car. Was AC car and only the rear windshield was non tinted. Maybe this is way it was in 70?
     

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