Electric Cars Ewww...

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by faster, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. GSX 554

    GSX 554 Gold Level Contributor

    Hydrogen is not out .That's what the oil companies want you to believe . Yes I remember the Hindenburg but that was over 80 years ago and I'm sure there have been new Safety measures since then. If there haven't been improvements we would all be driving cars with breaker points and carburetors .
     
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  2. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    Many of us here still do!
     
  3. faster

    faster Well-Known Member

    They already have hydrogen safe tanks. You can purchase hydrogen generators to pull it straight out of the air. Not sure how it would compare to electric cars KW to KW to mile though. Like said in previous posts the problem is the stranglehold existing energy companies have on the world.

    https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.php/h2-storage/

    Not sure about preignition in conventional engines. Hydrogen is extremely flamable and you cannot see it burning. You would walk right into the flames.

    I think it's Sweden in 2030 that says no fossil fuel burning vehicles allowed so moving frieght in an out is gonna get real expensive double handling everything.

    Mikey
     
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  4. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    One major issue with Hydrogen is that it leaks; storing Hydrogen is like trying to store water in a really tightly meshed sieve, it doesn't matter how tight the mesh is, the water molecule will still be smaller. With Hydrogen (the smallest atom) everything is made of larger molecules or atoms. It is possible to make a tank that will leak hydrogen very slowly, but it will leak. Operationally it isn't much of a problem, but things like inside vehicle storage, and prolonged lack of use will be an issue.
     
  5. GSX 554

    GSX 554 Gold Level Contributor

    Yes we do Briz but only because we enjoy it. I'm sure everyone also has a modern day vehicle that they use for everyday transportation
     
  6. GSX 554

    GSX 554 Gold Level Contributor

    John . I'm sure there are ways to keep it in a tank. If I'm not mistaken isn't it used on the space shuttle ???
     
  7. 66electrafied

    66electrafied Just tossing in my nickel's worth

    They use a hydrogen peroxide as a fuel.
    Hydrogen is not safe, it's the most volatile fuel known to man in an oxygen atmosphere. Storing and keeping hydrogen is a serious problem; the material has to be so dense as to not let it escape through. Same reason why you can't keep H2S in a glass, the molecule will go right through it. Oxygen and hydrogen are explosive, period. It has the lowest lower explosive limit and the highest explosivity range out of any element or chemical, it's just bad news. We use hydrogen here at the nickel refinery I work at, and the fail-safes and safeties we have in place are there for a good reason. All it took to blow a building apart was a poorly torqued head; the moment the operator put hydrogen on the thing exploded. His finger wasn't even off the button yet it was that fast. There were enough sparks being generated by a nearby running electric motor and that was it.
    Now we've got idiots who have trouble comprehending safety laws blowing up cars at gas stations, either with cigarettes or static electricity. Can you imagine the carnage at a hydrogen filling station? All it will take is some Clem Caddiddlehopper who figures he's above all that "gummint safety hype" or can't read to begin with who'll go up with a lit smoke in his trap and who'll blow an entire city block right off the map. There is no way that will ever be allowed to happen, it would never clear a public safety review; to license hydrogen fuels you might as well license the atomic bomb too. Safe handling and procedures is the only reason why hydrogen can never be an easy publicly available fuel. Yes, it's a perfect fuel, yes, it's easily and cheaply available. But it's so incredibly unpredictable and dangerous in the presence of oxygen. And to answer the other comment, no, hydrogen and hydrogen handling hasn't changed since the Hindenburg. The nature of the gas hasn't changed, and nor have the materials to contain it or distribute it. It's still just as dangerous, and the only thing you can take to the bank regarding hydrogen is that it will explode, it's just a question of when.
     
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  8. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Does 1974 count as modern? :D
     
  9. GSX 554

    GSX 554 Gold Level Contributor

    YES it probably had HEI . lol
     
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  10. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Not this puppy!
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  11. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    Do the four coils in my model T count as points?
     

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