Crankcase vacuum pump

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by BuickGSrules, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    What are your thoughts about this and is anybody having any proof that it works? Have heard that there could be up to 20 hp in this.
     
  2. stagetwo65

    stagetwo65 Wheelie King

    Yes it works. I've had it pick up more like 25-30 HP on the dyno, and while the gains on the strip aren't huge, they are noticeable. Also, you no longer have oil leaks. :TU:
     
  3. redsixty9

    redsixty9 Platinum Level Contributor

    You got that right. In my opinion a must for nitrous and boosted motors. Like you said best of all no oil leaks from boost going past the rings.
     
  4. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

    I agree on a boosted motor. Problem for me is not a lot of room left for a belt drive system. Just went with the exhaust evac that does not pull enough for HP boost. Helps with oil control though.
     
  5. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    Doug,

    How much vacuum are you pulling?
     
  6. redsixty9

    redsixty9 Platinum Level Contributor

    You can stuff one on the passenger side of the motor down low. I'm not sure but did the last years of the 455 did they have a smog pump? If they did maybe it's possible to use the brackets for mounting it. On a SBF with a serpentine belt I was able to use the smog pump bracket to mount the pump and a longer belt. I've always used GZ motorsport pumps with good results and they last.
     
  7. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

    Don't really know. I can notice when I blow one of the check valves out. That has not happened since I switched to FI. I know it helps with the oil leaks, eliminates the PVC valve, and you can feel it working when you pull them off. When I get everything back together I guess I should do a data log and pop off the the hose and see if there is a difference in vacuum. Cheap to do and does help.
     
  8. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

    That would be possible, but there is not much room left under my hood. Maybe someday... when I run out of stuff to do on the car. :Dou:
     
  9. redsixty9

    redsixty9 Platinum Level Contributor

    Lot's of shuffling stuff around with ProCharged and intercooled car under the hood. I get it but you won't regret it if you run big boost. On my own car I tried to nickle and dime a evac system all I did was increase my used parts inventory. I'm 55 and never even knocked on the door of "when I run out of stuff to do on the car". lol :TU:
     
  10. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks. Need to run it with a belt or could a Electric pump be used?
     
  11. redsixty9

    redsixty9 Platinum Level Contributor

    belt only I tried using electric evac system did not work well enough. As far as using a motor like old style electric water pump to drive I don't think that will work. It draws more vacuum with the rpm of the motor. I think about about 10-12" inches of vacuum is about the max you want to run. You don't want to take all the oil mist out of the crank case or you'll starve the wrist pins I've been told.
     
  12. Michael Evans

    Michael Evans a new project

    Yes they work. A must on a boosted engine. Without one I would have oil leaks all over the place.

    Since I had manual steering, I put it where the pump was. The people that did not know better thought it was a power steering pump and I did not tell them any different.
     
  13. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    I am running a Peterson oil pump setup on the race car. Anyone running that with a vacuum pump too? Cant see how I can get another belt hooked up there.
     
  14. Bluzilla

    Bluzilla a.k.a. "THE DOCTOR"

    You may want to contact Steve Reynolds as he has engineered some niffty mandrels for others set-ups.

    Larry
     
  15. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks, I will try that.
     
  16. Michael Evans

    Michael Evans a new project

    Need to add a mandrel to your crank pulley (s). First and most importantly ratio as the diameter will be much smaller as you do not need to turn the crank case as fast as the factory accessories.

    Hard to say the one you need without knowing what you have now.

    The type I had fit inside of the BBC modified pulley I used on my BBB with a Procharger.

    Here is one Steve Reynolds made for Royden Hardcastle in Australia.

    crank mandrel.jpg
     
  17. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

    Will try and get some pictures of your setup this weekend.
     
  18. stagetwo65

    stagetwo65 Wheelie King

    Around 9-10". I had 13-14" on a previous engine and that extra 4-5" would help on this one but I can't seem to get it that high. We smoke tested it and found a couple of minor leaks which we took care of but that got it up from 2-3" to 9-10". 70 runs on the motor so it shouldn't need rings.
     
  19. stagetwo65

    stagetwo65 Wheelie King

    Rick Martinez runs a Peterson oil pump but his is also a vacuum pump so it just needs one belt.
     
  20. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks Doug, I will take a pic of my setup and send to Steve and ask for his suggestion. I am thinking of this for my 494 swap.
     

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