12.42 @108 with a 3900# Skylark. My tranny builder did say I will need some more parts when the Procharger goes in. :laugh:
here is a built 200r4 for sale... said to handle 1000 hp.. original cost to build $4k+ http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/p...ilt-200-4r-transmission-billet-internals.html Wish i had the $$$ right nowou: :ball:
Greg, thanks for the name drop, you know how to boost a guys ego! As for pricing, a stock rebuild sells for about $1200. I built a 2004R a year ago for a 10 sec GN and we had 4K in parts. A couple of months ago one for a '70 Riv. with mild mods was approx. $1500. This should give some estimate to price. I would guess a highly modded 2004R would handle 1000hp once before it explodes:3gears:
When it comes to all this billet stuff I think the limiting factor is the size of your bank account. I took a 2004R and 700R4 apart at the same time several years and and virtually every part that is really important is bigger/stronger and better made in the 700R4.
Were they from the similar years? What I've read says that despite the smaller parts the 2004R is a better choice for a high performance build because of a weak input drum on the 700R4 which there is no workaround for.
i finally found a couple of copies of Car Craft. they've already shifted to the April issue. ou: at least they've got it posted online now: http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0903_th_200_4r_transmission_build/index.html
Well, I would believe what the automatic trans "GURU" Art Carr says, before I started taking the words of lesser known builders as gospel.
I read the article a few times, and I like that you can just order all the parts directly from his company and rebuild it yourself. I don't like the fact that I have absolutely no idea whatsoever how to rebuild an automatic transmission. :rant:
the book from CKperformance will walk you through it so, you can buy an instruction manual ( that you need, because the article doesn't actually show you how to do anything ) and all the parts you need from Art Carr. which makes this magazine article a two page long unpaid ad. while i don't have anything against Art Carr, doesn't this seem a little odd?
what i meant was that the article does an OKAY job at walking one through it. The book from CKperformance is a very in-depth writeup, that most inexperienced people could use to rebuild a 200r4 transmission. Most magazine articles are written in a manner which assumes that the reader has SOME knowledge in the field that the article covers.
I have a 700R4 in my 500 HP street car. I am updating to 4L80E with the stand alone computer (Compushift). If you see the differences between the internals of these 2 tranny's the 700R4 looks like 4cylinder stuff. I don't have any trouble with the 700R4 but I don't abuse it either. I will abuse the 4L80E. My tranny guy said I can't hurt the 4L80E with under 700 HP the way he is going to build it. Cost with the Compushift and a 2400 stall lockup converter will be about $3100.00 so it isn't cheap but it is strong. My .02 Peace, Mike D.
I consider myself a fairly competent mechanic, especially for being self-taught. I'm also big on fixing things myself rather than paying someone else to do it. I've just never dealt with the internals of an automatic transmission. Manuals make sense to me. I'll definately pick this book up. And I'm fairly sure Art Carr slid something to Car Craft for the article, even if it was just some free parts and a box of T-shirts.
surely every builder slips "something" to any magazine to be on their pages. What I was getting at is if the 700r4 was a better trans to build for that level of HP, I think he would have chosen it, rather than touting the 200r4 as the better candidate, as he is in the 700r4 parts buisness as well.
I think hes in business to make money and I'm fairly confident he makes more money selling the latest and greatest billet part that comes out for the 2004R. The 700 was a 91 and the 200 was a 89. I will build a 700 if I ever decide to go the Over Drive route.
As was mentioned in the article, the 700 has no workaround for a weak input/drum. What he doesn't say is the 200 has a somewhat weak input/drum too! However, Performance Trans (Bruce Toole) makes a bulletproof billet input shaft that is laser-welded to the drum. The stock stuff WILL NOT live behind 1000 HP especially in the form of a blown big-block; OK, maybe with 14" M&S radial tires on it. What you use totally depends on the power level, car weight, and type of driving you plan. I think the 200, with some money, can fill a gap between where the 700 can't go and the 4l80 is over-kill and overly expensive. I prefer the 200 for the even gear-spread, 3-4 WOT shifting capability, and it fits a Buick engine without an adapter. Finding a good valve body for the 200 is a bugger though. Is it lighter that a 700? A lot of guys have got into mid-low 11's with a stock 200 and good cooler; some have not. YANK transmissions also replaces 4l60's with 200-4r and not the 700-r4. The owner of YANK worked for HYDRAMATIC of GM for 15-years, so there must be something to the reasoning.
200 or 700? I think they are both good trannys. Which one to use is ultimately up to the individual but my findings pretty much mirror imaged what this website says: http://www.webrodder.com/article.php?AID=426&SID=6 :3gears: :3gears:
