69 Stage 1 Ok, I just talked to the guy's who are listing the car, they have checked the numbers on the motor and they match the VIN, they sound legit. He said they he had not checked for the build sheet... did not know where to look so I told him and he is going to look tonight and give me a call tomorrow. They are a detail shop not a dealer....If anybody know's this car give me a PM and the dirty facts before I make a 25K mistake. David Roth
David, Just because the numbers match, doesn't prove it's a Stage car. All the '69 GS400 convertible VINs started with 446679. Find the RS production code on the driver side of the block and the BB code trans. The carb should be 7029246 and distributor, 1111962. If the RS and the BB are there and the VIN on the block and trans match the dash, it's the real deal. Donny
69 Stage More Info, I just spent an hour talking to the seller, carb # 7029242 so it looks like it is not the stage 1 carb? He checked the block and said it was stamped with ID not RS ?? I don't think he know's enough to get the info but a nice guy anyway. Someone need's to look at the car who know what they are looking at. I am trying to get up there but am real busy with work!! ou: David Roth
David, I just spoke to a friend who looked at it six years ago...this is what I received: "hey ken,that is the car that i put a deposit on about 6 years ago.i remember looking in the trunk and noticed both quarter panels were replaced and not done professionaly,and to think that i could of had that car for 10 k back" Hope this helps!
69 Stage 1 OK guys, I emailed the guy to call me and I will go over and look the car over. If you want specific information give me a cell phone number and I will call you when I am there. Please, only if you are seriously interested. I would really like to see this car in the Buick community. As I said previously, the car when I looked at it a year ago was in my opinion a number three car. It was all there and in decent shape. Some rust issues but nothing that was not replaceable or repairable. Remember, this is a one of 77 car, so the rarety has to be considered, how often does one come up for sale? I will say that the color combo is a good one and if i remember correctly, the paint code was correct and the interior is all original and in very decent shape. If I would have bought it a year ago, I would have replaced the passenger door, had the rust taken care of, repainted and left everything else alone. At that time with prices as they were, in my opinion the car was a 13-14k car. Prices and demand has skyrockeded over the last year so the value has gone up. If only this was a 66 4sp conv with a/c!! Kooch
Hey Kooch, One of 77 IF it's a Stage 1, one of 213 otherwise. When you looked at it, did you actually see the RS on the block, the BB on the trans and verify that the numbers match? We already know that there's no documentation and that at least the carb is not correct for a Stage 1. It's simple enough to verify, I just hope whoever winds up with it does their due diligence before they pull the trigger. Donny
Donny - you keep saying BB on the trans. Its a 4-Speed !!! That means it should be a muncie M21 Also - it must be a flint built car, meaning after 446679 there should be an "H" So, you have to see and "RS" between spark plugs 1&3, a "49Hxxxxxx" between plugs 5&7 where xxxxxx are the vin's last digits. What we need are the Cowl Tag info so we can determine build date and options ... and then get the casting #'s from the block, intake, Heads, trans, etc. to determine if the pieces were built to corrospond to the cars production date. These parts were usually manufactured weeks/months in advance. Duane Heckman just published an EXCELLENT Book on date code deciphering and perhaps he can be asked to help with this car. Here is a list of all the Stage 1 parts for 69
69 Stage ! Ok, when I talked to Dave yesterday I told him to take out the back seat...he did and no build sheet. So today he is taking down take down the gas tank, then call me. Also, here is a pic. of the cowl tag. David Roth
Stage ! Also, "Dave" did say that he thought at least on rear quarter has been replaced. He is, I think trying to represent the car as best as he can, he just does not have the expertise to de-code everything. David Roth
It has been a few years since I had mine, but I thought the lack of numbers on the 4 speed trans made it even more difficult than auto cars. I agree with Alan you can get a pretty good idea through date codes, etc. But due to the lack of Sloan on these cars, without a build sheet, pop, or some owner history I would not beleive it is a stage car. If you can not produce that type of info you have also limited your chance of it being an upper end car. But, at its worst it is STILL one of 212 4 speed converts built in 69 which isn't a bad thing. I went through this for a year with my 69 stage 4 speed vert I sold. Even with an RS block , flint built, and a pop, people were very skeptical. I also had family history and dealer service records going back to 70 when it was bought in Evanston, IL and the 2 previous owners info. Tony
Stage ! Forgot........He Has a POP and the original owners name & address! With service records. David Roth
David- get the part # for the distributor. Alan W should have the part # for the Stage 1 distributor... That would also be a good indicator and easy to read.....
I thought Duane had a way to decipher pop's. Get that info and list it in the paper trail. I'm sure someone could help. Find some more info here. http://www.stage1registry.com/ Tony
Well now, the game has changed !! :TU: I'd be on the phone with the owner offering him $1,000 for any/all Dealer/BUICK paperwork he can provide that shows it as a Stage1. ....He shoots ....He Scores !!!
Stage ! Yeah, well i did not want to let out all that I found out....but could not help myself :laugh: Anyway I am waiting to hear some more info.... David Roth
It's reversed - the VIN is between #1 and #3, and the 'RS' code is between #5 and #7. I'm glad you guys are using the online resources available :beer :beer :beer David - I'll guess the P-O-P had an 'RS' code?
