67 Riviera 430 Build

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by johnriv67, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some guy.....

    Sorry John, I haven't been on in a few days and haven't read all the posts and suggestions to see what you've done and haven't done, so I might repeat something you've already tried, but......Did you loosen the bleeders and push in on the shoes at the same time to make sure the pistons were all the way in? Sometimes the shoes are up or down on their pivots, so give them a thorough wiggle/shake to try to get them to seat where they need to be, even if they look right. Check to see if you can see where they're rubbing the drum for sure and attempt to move the shoes where they need to go from there. Sometimes you have to spin the drum, then work it on a little, spin the drum, work it on a little more, and sometimes you have to give them a little "persuading" with a dead blow. Put a pry bar or long screw driver between to lug studs to spin the axle and drum together while trying to shove the drum on....How big is the lip on the drum? If it's got a lip on the edge, try grinding that down but don't get into where the shoes contact the drum, obviously. Sometimes even .010 of a lip is too much to get the drum over the shoes. Wish I was there to help, but keep working, thinking it through calmly, and you'll get them on.
     
  2. Briz

    Briz Platinum Level Contributor

    Did I read somewhere above that you had the drums turned?
     
  3. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    I didn’t have them turned. Will hogging the meat iut of the drums help me in the slightest?
     
  4. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    Why not just reline the original shoes..
     
  5. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some guy.....

    Yes, if you get the drums turned they will have a larger internal diameter.
     
  6. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    If your going to get them turned to fit your shoes You should remove the backing plate so they grind to fit..
    So now if your New shoes are bad And then dont work after all that your screwed.
     
  7. Briz

    Briz Platinum Level Contributor

    Really doubt theres anything wrong with the shoes. Turning the drums is standard procedure on any brake job. The shop, like Oreilys or napa ect, will ony turn down to what it takes to make them round and smooth. The fresh turned surface will mate better with the new shoes. Spend the 20.00 and do it right.
     
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  8. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    Yesteryear The drums fit over the old shoes with new lining.. Today Only two things the drums shrunk in diameter or the lining is thicker than the lining of yesteryear.
     
  9. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Ok sweet thanks guys, I will have to find a way to get that done. I don’t know many places around here that do it
     
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  10. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some guy.....

    Used to be most NAPAs and other parts stores would do them. A couple around here still do. Giving them a call would be my first try.
     
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  11. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    ^^^^^^ Agreed^^^^^^^^ Napa good counter guy should know on a reline shop in your area.. Hint the older the guy might know more. lot of placed have closed up..

    Ask in the bench section.
     
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  12. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    And if that doesn’t work, how do I do it myself? Run the car on jack stands and install the drum backwards and leave it in drive while I hold some sandpaper to the inner sleeve?:p
     
  13. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    John. if those new shoes are wrong in any way,,,,,nothing you do is going to make them work right...
    the old shoes did work..Or am I wrong.
     
  14. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Well-Known Member

    Yes, but you need to hold a beer in the other hand to have proper counterweight.
     
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  15. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Old shoes fit well and did very well. Does it make any sense to install the new pads on to the old shoes? Or just get the damned drums turned?
     
  16. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some guy.....

    Regardless, especially with your braking vibration if I remember correctly but either way, turning them is the right thing to do
     
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  17. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    Agreed turning is correct...it makes them round again. But not to make your Crappyass China made shoes&linings fit. Even the Hecko in Mexico shoes suck.
     
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  18. 1969RIVI

    1969RIVI Well-Known Member

    Back in high school my first day in auto shop we were taught how to turn drums and rotors. Now a days you can't even find a shop to do it and most the guys in there don't even know what I'm talking about! It's a "lost art" I guess lol.
     
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  19. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    If no one does it, how can I do it myself? Seems very difficult without the tooling
     
  20. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

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