67 Riviera 430 Build

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by johnriv67, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Philip66

    Philip66 Well-Known Member

    John I don't remember what you did to your fuel pump. Did you upgrade it?
    What about your fuel lines, stock?

    It could be that you are running it out of fuel, using and demanding more than your system can deliver. Or it could be just as Bruce said and as long as you don't over think it...tune for the track at the track.

    Do you feel it nose over, do you hear a difference in the motor sounds, or are you just seeing it on your wideband?
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    To know for sure, you need to monitor the fuel pressure at WOT. Best place to do that is at the track at about the 1000' mark. Without a fuel pressure gauge you can use at the track though, the next best option is to rig up a temporary gauge you can tape to the windshield on the street. At least you can see if there is a potential problem. I have an electrical Autometer gauge for fuel pressure. It's expensive but works well.

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/atm-3361/overview/
     
  3. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    I’m just seeing it on my wideband., but I also haven’t thought to listen to the engine tone. I have the Stage 1 pump with the stock lines, including a return line.

    I should probably merge on to the highway from 0-80 at close to WOT with the afr on RECORD mode. That would really tell me if I’m running it dry of fuel, even though I don’t expect it’s that
     
  4. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    A trick I did 35 yrs ago.....
    I used a needle valve on the return line with Stage 1 pump. On the street I left it open. At the track close it then crack it open slightly.
    My GSX was nosing over slightly right before the 1-2 shift. This gave more volume and eliminated that and also interestingly made shift harder due to not leaning out.
     
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  5. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    That’s actually pretty cool. Never would have thought of that
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I used a ball valve in the return line. Got it at Home Depot in the plumbing section. Just teed it into the rubber return line at the pump. Left it closed during winter as well.

    FuelReturnValve.jpg
     
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  7. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Also, cause I’m dumb and forgot to mention it, I put back in place the stock spring for the power piston in order to richen up cruise all the way around, the other spring that I had installed was too weak and left the whole car upset
     
  8. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    (BQUICK)

    ^^^
    What he said.

    Dyno load is not as dynamic as actual driving.

    Think of a dyno as the old "sled" in tractor pulls. You start off and then applie a brake load and then the engine pulls until it just can't pull no mo'.

    It tells you how much it can pull, HP and torque, but the variables of a car winding up, foot or trans brake, and then dumping to the wheels, or a wind up with no resistance and a dump to clutch, and it is a whole new ballgame.

    Test -n- Tune is yer friend. (or your enemy, when you break stuff... or find you are gwanna spend mo' money).

    But, do it for love and the need for speed. Take all my money, just keep feeding me Gs!

    :D
     
  9. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Next on the list:

    ✅-needle valve for fuel return line
    ✅-maybe adjust exhaust position over rear wheels for more clearance
    ✅- the brakes
    ✅-it’s damn good enough sadly. Reset the idle circuit, cause it’s very lean and not really idling well, probably related to how I failed to set it up months ago and it’s likely the throttle blades are too open now and off the idle circuit, which explains why nothing is working
    ✅-Check the secondary air valve for being too tight, maybe explaining a few things
    ✅-replace belts
    ✅-check everything front end related, including sway bar
    ✅-look at steering box a wee bit
    ✅-verify mechanical advance and total advance
    ✅-tighten two starter bolts
    ✅-check all fluids that can be checked when running
    ✅-paint all four road wheels
    ✅-afr tune engine to hell and back
    -maybe fix the driver side front power window
    ✅-hand wash
    ✅-tighten everything on the exhaust

    Gonna be mo’fricken busy for the next 10 days
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2019
  10. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Ordered the brake stuff:
    pads
    wheel cylinder redo kits
    all hardware
    all new belts for engine
    only $87 including $27 shipping, so really $50. Go China if it works
     
  11. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Home from school, now we get down to business. Also, I’m driving from CT to NH and back tomorrow and coming back sat. Anyone need me to move parts around?
     
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  12. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    ✅In case I forget, tighten the damn fuel feed line!
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2019
  13. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    image.jpg
    And now we’re in business. Brake gurus, please speak loudly if you know something I don’t
     
  14. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    The drums now don’t fit over the pads and whole assembly, with the adjuster wheel spun all the way in. Am I missing something?

    This is the old picture D538B5D8-502B-4459-B4C1-FE9EBADC4920.jpeg

    New current picture 171BA357-11FF-4494-B5CD-DAD622522094.jpeg
     
  15. PGSS

    PGSS Gold Level Contributor

    Please not to insult you but are sure there's no lip cut into the drums from wear?
    Parking brake is off? and the wheel cylinder pins are all the way in?
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2019
  16. Footbag

    Footbag Well-Known Member

    When i replaced the brake hardware and shoes on my 68 Lesabre i had the same problem. What i found was the coating that they painted on the new Shoes was too thick. Brake pads were ok but the metal brackets that held them were the problem. The thick paint coating stopped the adjuster on the bottom from fully seating in its location correctly and also stopped the push rods at the top from doing the same. had to wire off the paint in the four locations and then the drums slid on with a little wiggling.
     
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  17. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Did you press the rods/cups back into the bore on the wheel cylinder ?

    If not, do so very carefully and with the reservoir cap loose, but still sitting on the master cylinder, and check the fluid level first to make sure you do not push fluid overboard.

    (I usually crack the bleeder port and push them)
     
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  18. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    This is officially the shittiest work I’ve ever had to do on the car. F*ck everything. I’d rather bail out after my first pass and send it into the concrete barriers than do this for 10 more hours

    I’m at tool-throwing and permanently-damaging the riviera if I keep working on it
     
  19. Quick Buick

    Quick Buick Arlington Wa

    I'll bet you a dollar. The work you done is fine. The shoes are wrongly made... Been their.
    Remove the shoes and compare them thoroughly with a fine tooth comb.
     
  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    John,
    I hate to tell you this but this is what it is like working on, not just old cars, but newer ones as well. Murphy's Law reigns supreme!:D:D. It really helps when the car is not your daily driver, and you can walk away from it when things get frustrating. Things don't always go as planned/smoothly. Take a break and come back to it.
     
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