'66 401 with Russ Martins 425 cam...Grrrrrrrr!

Discussion in ''Da Nailhead' started by UntamedKitty, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor

    That's not good. The flexplate is not 'zero' balanced... it has a huge cutout which puts it out of balance by about 4-1/2 ounces.
    Maybe it's possible the shop made up the difference in the crank, but that's a lot of weight. Putting your original flexplate on is going to screw up their balance job.
    There are aftermarket flexplates on ebay that 'look' zero balanced, so that might be an option.
    Best to talk to the shop and ask what the hell they did.

    Stock flexplates sometimes have clips put on them to fix a minor vibration. That procedure is in the shop manual. Might have been done by a dealer.
    But Buick originally drilled holes in the flexplate to fine tune the balance.
     
  2. lapham3@aol.com

    lapham3@aol.com Well-Known Member

    I get a case of the grumbles when I read of these situations year after year time after time. A guy/shop does his 'standard' SBC type rebuild on a nailhead and gets 'most' of it right, but enough wrong to throw the whole job into doubt...and it's worse with the 430-455 stuff because of their own issues. Good luck-I hope you are able to get this sorted out OK
     
  3. telriv

    telriv Well-Known Member

    Let's keep our fingers crossed that you don't end up with a balancing/vibration issue when you 1st. fire/drive the car. Last one I did was balanced this way. 1 1/2ozs. was removed from the front bob weight. It would have cost more $$$$ to fix/weld/re-balance than it would cost to just find another crank & do it properly. I don't like welding up cranks. Puts a lot of heat into the crank & many times the crank needs to be straightened afterwards. Now running through the heating & cooling cycles in a running engine it can become non-straight again. How do you check this once installed & run??? To balance the rods. Where did he take the weight from??? SBC's have the balancing pad on the bottom of the cap. The "Nails" have the pads on either side of the rod. What WAS done in this case was the weight was removed from the re-enforcing ribs of the cap instead of the pads on the side of the rods. What this caused in my mind has destroyed the structural integrity of the rods. Now we only had ONE rod that was good to use. The lightest one. Luckily I found a crank, standard size, & a set of virgin, never rebuilt before, rods from the same engine that I purchased. The rods start out at approx. 6.2185" long center to center. If done properly will end up at NO LESS than 6.2175 to 6.2180" long center to center. This makes a MAJOR difference when using off the self pistons. The only original parts we ended up with in this particular build were the block, one head & a timing case cover that I had to do some rebuilding work on. Even one of the heads was N/G.
    Good $$$$ was used to do this build by a known good CHEVY guy. Looking closely at he attending work order there were things that were double charged that the consumer would never known about had the engine not been removed because of a balance problem.
    Lets not get into issues with off the shelf pistons. That's another story in & of itself.

    Again, I wish/hope that everything works out for you.


    Tom T.
     
  4. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    I hate these stories, too. Best of luck.:pray:
     
  5. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor

    Found some more info for you.
    If they messed up your balance by not including your flexplate, this might be a solution.
    There was a repo flexplate that wasn't balanced correctly. Now I see Russ has these, but with a weight plate welded on to make them 'right'.
    It's possible this flexplate WITHOUT the weight is zero balanced and will work with your engine. Russ should have the info for you.
    I can't recall who made these originally, it might have been Bendtsens.


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buick-nailh...Parts_Accessories&hash=item540bb72ea5&vxp=mtr
     
  6. Riviera KY.

    Riviera KY. Active Member







    I'll tell you how to fix this. I've done this before. Get a set of .020 or .010 ( what ever it takes ) over main bearings and install them in the block and line bore it again with pulling upward with the bar. I made stands for the bar and slowly cut the bearing to get what I needed. It takes a little time but it works. Make sure you have your math right before you start.
     
  7. UntamedKitty

    UntamedKitty Janitor

    '66 401 Some pics for Yous

    IMAG1588.jpg IMAG1589.jpg IMAG1591.jpg IMAG1593.jpg IMAG1599.jpg
    Pic 1 = I cleaned up all the valley flashing with a carbide before the bare block went to the shop for measuring, pressure checking, and cleaning.
    Pic 2 & 3 = Assembled short block at home.
    Pic 4 = Degreased and acid washed paint surfaces only by hand.
    Pic 5 = black satin POR15 primed and High Temp POR15 Buick Green brushed on, thick paint at 80% solids. AL front cover, SS fasteners, new NAPA 5 vane water pump.

    Just read the posts today, Thanx! Balancing comments are great, I will be going back to shop for clarification this week. The flex plate shows roughly 10 drilled holes in various places around it. One small hole looks fresh. My recollection is that the HB was put on crank, balanced, then the flex was balanced seperately by itself.
    More to come!
     
  8. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    They sure took a lot off your rod caps....
    Shop doesn't have Google?
     
  9. telriv

    telriv Well-Known Member

    Now you get to start ALL over again!!!!! Just as I suspected, a CHEVY guy rebuilt your engine!!!! Didn't know where to remove the weight to balance the rods. So he took the weight from the re-enforcing ribs of the caps, instead of asking. The structural integrity of the rods has been COMPRIMISED!!!!! You've gone this far, are you willing to take the CHANCE!!!! Now, HE has to find you a set of rods, re-condition them, balance them correctly & re-balance the WHOLE assembly, but this time including the flexplate in the balancing procedure on his DIME. Hopefully he DIDN'T remove TOO much weight from the crank bob weights or else he will need to find one of those ALSO!!!! He's NOT GONNA BE HAPPY!!!!
     
  10. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    You (he) can weight match the rod and be OK, but (and there always is one) it would be a good time to spin the crank again for the flexplate issue.
    One thing I don't like is that if those pistons have press fit pins, it can distort the piston to press back out.
    I don't re-use cast pistons when I press out pins, but that's my preference. Look at the shape on the underside and think about how the piston is supported during the process and you'll see what I mean.
    Might want to take some measurements on them for when they come back.
    Sorry.:(

    Got any pics of the crank counter weights, particularly the rear two?
    Hopefully OK on that.
     
  11. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    What a mess..... now it boils down to ,,, Does the guy have integrity enough to correct the situation.....:Brow:
     
  12. UntamedKitty

    UntamedKitty Janitor

    These should give you more info to work with.
    IMAG1601.jpg IMAG1602.jpg IMAG1607.jpg IMAG1606.jpg
    The center hole (dark one) on the rear crank lobe is at least 1.5" deep. The 11 O'Clock hole on the flywheel (shiney one) looks to be the only fresh one. FYI, I supplied this thread address and the 1966 Buick Chassis manual to the builder before the shortblock was assembled.

    "Hold on tight, this is gonna hurt like hell..." comes to mind for me!
    Comments?
     
  13. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    Kinda looks like the drilling on the 2 rear c-weights would be directly in line with the c-weight on the flex plate. Hopefully he didn't drill out what the flexplate would have added. Looks saveable if so. Adding a slug and welding that far out on a c-weight is fairly harmless. Better yet is to pin it in a fore and aft direction in addition to the welding.
    Can't imagine they didn't notice the weighted flexplate.
    Lots of new and fancy balancing machines now that I'm not familiar with.
    I even hear that the imbalance can be estimated separate from the spinning assembly, but I subscribe to the practice of actually bolting it on to spin with the crank. The dynamics change in weird ways, very subjective science.

    I can understand hesitation to take advice from "The Internet", but he had the book, huh?
    Hopefully everything can be handled in a gentlemanly way. I don't like (that you are) not getting paid to train another shop. :)
     
  14. JZRIV

    JZRIV Platinum Level Contributor

    Been following this thread with interest. Just keeps getting worse and my guess is all errors have not yet been revealed. Me personally I could never trust anything this shop did on the engine and still sleep at night.
    I have seen no evidence the shop is capable of fixing the mistakes on their best day. I would still be suspect they may try to cut corners while making corrections because they will be losing so much money on it.
    I'd be just about ready to get as much refund as possible and start over with another engine and competent shop but that's just me.

    This thread will stand as a great teachable moment for anyone else looking to get a nail rebuilt.
     
  15. UntamedKitty

    UntamedKitty Janitor

    OK, it is freaking cold here in Wisconsin right now, Wind Chill at ZERO, but I dug through the barn anyhow and found another set of rods/piston assemblies and another crank. Good to know there is backup just in case!

    Anyhow, going to see the builder tomorrow and lay all this info out in front of him and explain I am afraid to fire this motor. I think he has a dyno stand so lets see where we are going. Will report back soon.

    Thanx again Everyone!

    PS: here is the build costs spreadsheet to date:

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    [TD="colspan: 2"]Per Russ Martin:[/TD]
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  16. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    ...and I was just about to bump up the price on my nailhead rods on Evil bay. :Brow:
    Not for you of course, Karma.
     
  17. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    I dont like that fram filter on it.... :Brow: need some other brand.... Buick engines and fram filters dont work good together....
    The other guys will tell you.....
     
  18. UntamedKitty

    UntamedKitty Janitor

    I had a choice in my stash of the NAPA Gold or the Fram for the first 20 -30 minutes of break in, thought throwing the Fram out first was the best plan! But then again, may never get to it break in to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :puzzled:

    Oh ya, ignore the brand names on the right of the costs, they were color coded for the price cells in Excel, and the ones actually bought had boxes around them but it did not transfer. Did not always buy the least expensive either.
     
  19. UntamedKitty

    UntamedKitty Janitor

    I wanted to better understand how much was ground off the rod caps and thought yous might like to see it also:
    IMAG1591.jpg IMAG1614.jpg
    so here are side by side pics.
     
  20. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the pics. Gives folks a better perspective.

    I had to look at a set of mine when I first saw. After a big gulp, I hesitated to post, waiting to see what responses would jump on the board. It really bothers me. You have a good attitude though...

    It isn't just the amount of material removed. That much grinding had to put some heat into the rod. I doubt enough water or coolant could be flooded over while hand grinding (or belt sanding), esp. when a shop is concerned with time. That's A LOT of grinding there. Enough removed to weaken or distort the rod. Did I mention that's a lot of grinding?:laugh:
     

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