401 vs. 425?

Discussion in ''Da Nailhead' started by Blue Wagon, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    am glad you said intake too
     
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  2. suntreemcanic

    suntreemcanic Well-Known Member

    Am I getting the hint that a 425 with Q-jet carburetor and Q-jet manifold are the way to go on a stock engine.
     
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  3. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Yes in deed, if one were to spend $$ on NH head porting, to get the most out of those $$ spent one would need to have the intake flow at least the same amount the heads flow to reap the benefits of the port work or have a custom made that will.
     
  4. yup, even better than a factory dual quad setup as far as performance goes
     
  5. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    i was the first one years ago to say on the nail head site the intake was the bottle neck when trying to get high flowing heads, actually you need 15-20% more flow for the intake then the heads flow. the eelco 2x4 with port work will keep up.
     
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  6. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    if anyone is interested a stock square bore iron intake flows 234 avg cfm. an eelco 2x4 stock flows 245 avg cfm with a wide difference in flow between runners. i sent my 2x4 to Gessler he got 264 avg cfm, i sent it to gs Bob our nail head porter a few years latter to check it out and messed with it to get 275 cfm. some where i think there is a thread on the Q-jet intake flow, i know it has a bigger plenum forgot on flow numbers if there better.
     
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  7. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    well another false hood. Walt posted gesslers Q-jet numbers back in 2013 and the Q-jet intake avg 230 cfm so the same as the square bore of 234 avg cfm. reason why Q-jet performs better it is a 730 cfm and the afb carb is a 575cfm. so put a 750 or 800 cfm edelbrock on your square bore for a cheap way out.
     
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  8. Bigpig455

    Bigpig455 Fastest of the slow....

    Were those numbers through the head?
     
  9. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    no, don't think so
     
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    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

  11. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    mine
     

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  12. cobravii

    cobravii Well-Known Member

    nailhead weren't red till '66 and 425's were silver in earlier Rivieras
     
  13. larkone

    larkone Silver Level contributor

    49B6CEA9-DB1A-4CA0-837B-E5C8D1A5B8E9.jpeg All 63 Rivieras engines were silver, If I remember correctly 401 and 425.
     
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  14. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    Tom Telesco would know for sure, but I suspect that although the 425 and 401 cranks will interchange, they have to be balanced differently. The 425 has bigger rings and pistons and therefore they would be heavier then the 401 slugs.
     
  15. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    My 425 came out of an Electra and had the Quadrajet.
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    For sure, but any engine rebuild would include balancing.
     
  17. Topcat

    Topcat Got TORQUE?

    So.....over the years i have had at least 25 cars that should have had 425's in them......Riviera GS's....WildcatGS's...Electra's........only 4 of them had the original 425's in them....the rest all had 401 replacement blocks in them....
    Why you ask ? Because the 425's had a problem with sand core shift when they cast the block. You had many of them that had thin cylinder walls on the front and rear cylinders depending on how the core shifted.They were fine until the gas went to crap in the late 80's and you could not get premium every where. Get some bad gas on a hot day and get on it and BOOM.....you split a cylinder wall from the spark knock and detonation.
    I would never build a 425 without ultra sounding the cylinder walls. Plus overbore 425 pistons are hard to find compared to 401's........

    How many of you have cars with the original 425 still in them....be truthful......


    Peace WildBill
     
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  18. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    I have 2 66 Wildcat GS's with the original engines. Mine is crated and I am building a mellow 401 so I can drive it again. No more racing the old girl. Jenn's still has the running original engine under the hood.
    I have had several Nailheads over the years and the majority were 401s
     
  19. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    must be the luck of the draw. i rebuilt a 425 28 thousand over bore gs Bob wanted it. then did another 425 needed 38 thousand to clean up plus was stroked to 3.75 that one was blocked filled and always ran hot and fill started coming loose besides. took the crank rods and pistons put them in another block [no fill this time] obviously had to bore that block again to .038 over too.very lucky never had a problem with cylinders on any of the three.
     
  20. Mr62Wildcat

    Mr62Wildcat Guest

    Simplified:

    401= 4-1/16" bore
    425= 4-3/16" bore

    Not much difference. Heads, block, crank, all the same. Some camshafts were slightly different, but otherwise not really noticeable
    . 401's and 425' were painted green and the 65-66 were mostly painted red as also the 401's were too.
     

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