350 Aluminum heads!

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by USAMPFREAK, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    naw
    We'll have them 2 options actually
    one is ta al heads..no real eta

    another will be billet route via Ken Betts,,sure he'll have a head avail before TA will...as I believe ive seen a statement by end of year, but dont quote me
     
  2. ken betts

    ken betts Well-Known Member

    Well, we have taken the first steps for the 350 while we are building the flow bench since we can't go any further with the 455 until its done. Lets start a fire storm! What about a 350 iron and aluminum block with siamese bores to go 4"s?
     
  3. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    Haha that'd be awsome but crazy to even think about, but woulnt that require yet another head redesign as I'm pretty sure on a stok block .o90 over the issue becomes head bolts becomming close and head gasket being on edge?
     
  4. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    To the nay sayers, I didn't think Ken had what it would take.

    When I saw the word "billet" and the work he did on the Big Block head, I thought "good grief, does he even know what it might take to turn a big piece of aluminum into a cylinder head?".

    Stay tuned folks, I think you might be pleasantly surprised. Ken's billet project seems to have some legs. It's been done and the results could be amazing.

    Devon
     
  5. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I hope this does become reality. But all this posting about what may be, and talented people working on designs and theories has been going on for years. I know it takes ALOT of money and time and the market is small, I give alot of credit to the people trying to make this happen:TU: It does get a bit discouraging tho.
     
  6. killrbuick66455

    killrbuick66455 Well-Known Member

    Since you are starting from scratch but Would there any way to adapt SBC head to this block I know not a lot of people would like this suggestion I mean you would need a custom Intake anyway ?? I think I'm going to be fire Bombed on this one..
     
  7. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Nothing wrong with the suggestion, but obviously the question "why?" is coming, and you left it unanswered.

    Devon
     
  8. killrbuick66455

    killrbuick66455 Well-Known Member

    To keep cost down would be my first reason why. Still thinking of the second..
     
  9. WV-MADMAN

    WV-MADMAN Well-Known Member

    If youre going to adapt the block to use another head altogether, why not go LS:Brow:

    The LS heads have more in common with the SBB than the SBC anyway:TU:
     
  10. killrbuick66455

    killrbuick66455 Well-Known Member



    ---------- Post added at 10:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 AM ----------

    Hey Madman ,I did not know this that would be a killer idea...
     
  11. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    i doubt it, even if it took allot of its design cues from the buick i doubt it'd be close to liningup/bolting up ..pushrod issues and what not
    EditApparently ls1 has bore spaceing of a ford 351 clevlend as the heads bolt up to that block..
    so apparently ls1 equals heads with ford bore spaceing and headbolt location and buick 350 inspired deep skirted block..Edit

    If we were to do a frankin head it;d be the rover TA head..bolts up, this would still take about 1k for custom billet cam, find a modular rover intake or a stock buick 340 intake, Sanderson 300 shorty headers and lots ..lots of porting to come out just slightly better then a fully ported cast 350 heads

    I'll just wait and take my chances with TA or ken
     
    Last edited: May 2, 2013
  12. 87GN@Tahoe

    87GN@Tahoe Well-Known Member

    Those ported TA=Rover flow numbers were ported with stock rover dimension ports and a 3.7"-ish bore size mind you. Remember TA put meat in there to potentially really open up the ports, and a 3.8"+ bore will assist as well.
     
  13. idahoskylark

    idahoskylark idahoskylark

    im sure its been asked but why cant a guy use one of the new 3d printers and print off an aluminum head????
     
  14. jay3000

    jay3000 RIP 1-16-21


    If it were that easy I'd print off some hot chick...
     
  15. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    Actually, the technology is getting closer and it would probably be possible but the cost just in machine time would still be quite high. You're basically talking about a machine that uses an electron beam to melt the feedstock at this point, still a pretty expensive technology, and it has been developing almost as slowly as aluminum 350 heads. However, expect to see some pretty exciting breakthroughs in the next couple years as people begin to adapt existing technologies to this purpose.

    Jim
     
  16. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Sbc heads wouldn't be able to be adapted to a sbb block because the bore spacing is 4.400" for the sbc and the LS series,and a sbb is 4.24",and if the bore spacing is changed on an aftermarket block,then it wouldn't really be a Buick.

    As per the HRM article "How To Hot Rod Any Engine" "a block and head will only tolerate .010"-.020" max misalignment" or something like that.(going by memory)

    And no,LS heads probably wouldn't work on a 351 sbf,misalignment would be .010" for the 2 center cylinders,and would be .030" for the outer cylinders. If the bores were relocated,then probably would be adaptable?

    LISTEN TO YOUR WIFE,MIKE,AND DO THE HEADS FIRST.

    Derek
     
  17. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    didnt know of the bore space difference but ls1 heads on 351 ford block has been done a few times with custom cam and intake just like the rover head/350 block would require..though I think ls1/ford hybrid was a bit more involved
    theres quite a few that did it or progressed in it , one company claimed to be gthe first but no pics back in 07 or 06..
    heres some pics
    http://www.theturboforums.com/threads/324772-LS1-heads-on-a-SBF-Yes-they-fit

    but back on topic, ken betts is back from Vacation so he's back to work on finishing 455 heads and starting something with the350s :p
     
  18. roverman

    roverman Well-Known Member

    Since this endless reruns topic has been rambling on for 5+ years, and the techie bench racing has begun, why not just EB weld 2right/left cyls from stage II V6 heads ? Exact bore spacing, proven performance,(340 cfm. @.7").... Ok one reason, they would destroy anything but a billet crank. Onward, roverman.:Dou:
     
  19. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    lol
    ps any progress on your billet route, been meaning to bring the billet crank subject up as 3 of us had a route and we-ve all been a bit quiet on the subject.
    lke I said before im set on my route unless someone proceeds with a cheaper route then mine
    you were talking about using a modified forged ford crank correct?
     
  20. Triplebbb

    Triplebbb Well-Known Member

    Any news on this topic?
     

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