1970 stage 1 block details maybe?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by 72 skylark custom, Apr 30, 2019.

  1. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    When building a more performance street/strip motor which would be a better core to start with? Any year 455 bare block or a 1970 455 stage 1 bare block and why? Either way i would buying a new rotating assembly so that wouldnt matter. Im just asking for the details on the block like would it be stronger and more capable of handling a little more power and stuff like that, any and all incite is welcome and appreciated
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    A 70 stage 1 block is the same as a 70 non stage 1. Have one sonic tested to verify what you have for any year. Any 70 block will need the oil modification. Post 70 blocks may not require that.
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  4. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    Would the oil modification just be to open up oil passages to a bigger size for more oil flow? And so what im getting is that the special stuff about a stage 1 motor are the heads and cam, not the actual block itself. And to have any 455 block that i would choose sonic tested to see what is feasible based on lifter bore thickness and cylinder bore thickness. Or if the block is usable at all based on the sonic test
     
  5. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    the stage1 parts were the heads.......valves and spring, cam, carb, distributor. as far as I know
     
  6. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    Okay i see now. for the block itself was the same as any other 455 block then if you took away the heads, cam, crank, rods, pistons, carb, dist, and intake?
     
  7. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Yes, and if your planning on making less than 450hp and staying below 5500 rpm which kinda goes hand in hand anyway , any block with basically no mods will be just fine

    You wont be buying "a new rotating assembly " as new cranks arent just a phone call away, if your talking about a 470 or 482 assembly then yes look for a healthy block and perform the mods. But for stuff that doesn't see much rpm/abuse the factory stuff is just fine
     
  8. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    Im trying to drive the car, and take it to the track a few times so i want to make quite a bit of power lol thanks everyone that helps me out quite a bit!
     
  9. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    All 70 Stage-1 blocks have the big oil passage. Regular 70 did not. 71 block number for most of 71 was the same as a 70 block. Very early 71 blocks did not have the big oil passage. Most of 71 blocks are basically Stage-1 blocks with the big oil passage. From this point on all 455 blocks had the big oil passage. I think starting with block production number 159 in 71 they have big oil passages.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The power potential is in the heads. You need good flowing heads. The most cost effective way to do that is to save for aluminum heads, unless you can port the iron heads yourself. Head flow enhances everything else about the engine.
     
  11. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    So the easier the heads flow the more power is potentially made because the engine is running more efficiently i assumed. In addition to the bigger oil passages. from 70 and later they used the "through the pushrod oiling" right?
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    An engine is an air pump, more air in and out, more power, simple as that. The quickest way is to save up and buy the aluminum heads. With entry level porting, you are looking at about 3000.00/pair. With a set of those heads, 10:1 compression, a cam with 230* of intake duration, and headers, you are looking at 550HP+. Yes, 70 and up is pushrod oiling, but earlier engines can be converted easily.
     
  13. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    I like the sound of all of this, what aluminum heads would be best?
     
  14. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    TA performance. Many different levels.
     
  15. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    Okay, and would the heads already come with some porting or would i have to ask them about porting options? Sorry guys im very new to the big block buick scene
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    For a street car, the TA Stage1SE or Stage2SE. The Stage2SE have better exhaust ports and only accept Stage2 type headers. No stock exhaust manifolds will bolt to them. So, if you don't mind the added cost of Stage2 headers, the Stage2 head is the better head. The Stage1SE will accept stock exhaust manifolds and headers. I use the Stage1SE heads for the engine in my signature.

    http://www.taperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TA_STAGE_1SE-A

    http://www.taperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TA_STAGE_2SE-A

    There are also Stage1 and 2 TE heads, but they feature a raised intake port and you must use a special intake manifold. The TE heads are better for an all out race car with hood with a scoop or a cowl type hood. You would have hood clearance problems with the TE heads using a stock hood.

    Entry level porting is an ABSOLUTE no brainer. It's only another 3-400.00. No downsides at all. Ask about that when ordering your heads.
     
  17. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    I would probably stay with the se heads this way i dont have to modify the hood. I believe i could use most other stock parts with the stage 2 heads just not the headers right? If i read the ta description of them correctly
     
  18. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Correct.
     
  19. 72 skylark custom

    72 skylark custom Well-Known Member

    Would you also be able to polish the bowls, in addition to the porting?
     
  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I believe that is most of what I refer to as entry level porting, bowl clean up and polishing. I have a bit more than that done to my heads. They flow 334/250 @ .600 lift.

    Porting3.jpg Porting4.jpg Porting2.jpg Stage1SEheadFlow.jpg
     

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