1967 GS post car find........

I haven’t gotten that far yet, I’m trying to be patient and approach this right, it might be the difference maker who knows.

 

Hell yes. Times are at a good place for that Damn I wish I could grab that. Haven't had a paycheck I months...

I have dreams about that car. I was born in 67

 

These statements led me to believe the car was for sale, but for more than you're willing to pay.

 

I asked what he would take for it, he gave the “crazy number” we all have given from time to time when someone wants something we don’t necessarily want to sell. So all my questions here are simply because I’m not familiar with anything 1965-67 and values so I needed to educate myself to make a smart decision based on reality and not just a knee jerk reaction.

 

Like a number of people on here I have to toss in a WOW And such a unique car ( 67 two door post ) So loaded with rarely seen options. And what could be a very solid car if it has been cared for at all and I spent a good part of its life under cover in Arizona. Like you I’d be very interested.

My thoughts are are not to throw rocks at the car or the deal just to give you an opinion from someone who is a realist and has done dozens of these kind of finds.

With the information given in the photos there are a number of things here I would be concerned about :

The car is stuck in a trailer and absolutely impossible to do a truly thorough inspection on. Can’t see the sheet metal down low and underneath, or any part of the frame or undercarriage. Floorpans? No way to verify if the car is had previous crash damage or some other poor repair etc. $$

Car is so covered in dust it’s impossible to get any real indication of paint quality and bodywork. The car has had a color change which is another big red flag. Very rarely are color changes done well and correctly. The body moldings that you can see were not reinstalled, why? Is there other chrome that wasn’t reinstalled? Is it missing? Is it damaged? Are all of the studs that hold those components on ruined or missing? And what is the rest of the chrome and trim like condition wise? $$

The engine’s been replaced. I don’t know my 67’s but I have a good hunch there are a number of components that are specific to an a body big block for that year. Whoever did the swap did they include all of those little trinkets and do it right? Fan shroud is missing. If the engine was swapped is the transmission still original? That’s a one year only short output shaft turbo 400 with a switch pitch.$$

You can only see one tire in the pictures but that is an old bias ply General. If the car has a set of those on it I doubt if those were manufactured past The early 1980s. This gives me the suspicion this car has likely not been on the road in at least 30 years. That is a LONG Time for a car to sit un-operational. Every seal is junk stem to stern. Every component of that very rare 2 year only ( One year for some components) brake system Will have to be gone through and if some of those components are damaged and unavailable from the aftermarket that’s a big problem. A totally different ballgame from a typical disc brake system on a 70 to 72. Fuel tank is junk. Just about every component that moves or turns in any way it’s going to have to be taken apart completely Cleaned in greased before he can be reused once again.$$

Title and VIN: does this guy actually have an open title in HIS name and not a floated title from the previous owner . No way to even open the door enough to see if there is a match with the Vin number on the car and the title.

Is the guy willing to remove the car from that trailer for you to give it a proper inspection of all of the above? Not likely. And how is that car going to get removed from the trailer? Does he have a semi tractor and a dock? If not, a forklift or a loader? (IE: when the car is coming out of that trailer is the quarter panel and the rear bumper going to get ripped off, or worse yet dropped?

This is where I am a realist: as the car sits stuck in that trailer and unable to get past any of what I talked about above: it’s a $5000 car. Get it out of the trailer, put a hose on it and get it up in the air with a clean title-Passes inspection of all of the problem areas I listed above andthe engine turns over. Maybe, maybe $8000 if it really checks out good.

It will take every bit of $4000 to get that car back on the road if all of the mechanicals are workable and none of the hard parts are junk and that’s a big gamble too. Oh, and all of your labor is free.

This could be a super cool find and buy, or a nightmare, Play it safe.....

Steve weim55 Colorado

 

A "find" like this does not happen very often. Easy to get excited. Good to have a dose of cool,calm reason. Dadgummit! Being sensible isn't much fun. Just smart.

 

Two very thorough & excellent analysis. Nice!

If I'm sitting in your shoes and all my projects were done (or I had the extra space/cash & could conceivably store away/get to another project) and thinking "gosh, I've always thought if I ever have the time & the money I'd love to have a '65-67 project and this really is a pretty neat one despite the NOM [I would and it is] & if it's rust-free that sure solves a lot of the headaches of a project" then go for it.

Best I can probably hope for personally is to have enough $ to one day just buy the "right" one that's either super original or re-done by someone on here. Ditto for a lot of cars besides my current projects.

I don't know anything about '67's but to add to Steve's comment, I do see ads for '67 wheelwell moldings and assuming a post car got them (?), I'd want to make sure they were good or at least repairable. These guys could probably put together a list of stuff like that besides what's been mentioned. On the other hand, you may not get a chance to inspect every detail in which case, it's a gamble and Steve may be correct @ $5k and the owner has probably watched BJ or Mecum so a deal may never happen.

That being said, it is a super oddball and very neat car, albeit likely a losing proposition on the $ even for $5k but if we were in this for the $ we wouldn't be into Buicks. If it's ultimately not for you, it sure would be great to see in the right person's hands who does want that car and would sink the $ into it regardless.

 

I didn’t think it was fair to represent only the critical aspects of what I see in this particular car. There’s a number of real positives that could make this particular specimen turn out to be a good story in the end.

Summing up what you can see in the pictures this car shows really great potential of what has now become my absolutely favorite type of car in this hobby. A very decent unmolested old original that has its share of minor flaws and wear from use. A car that when gone through and all of the components returned to working order could be Very presentable, driven and enjoyed any time anywhere. Turn key ready in the garage, no car cover, no fuss in parking lots. Etc. It could get driven in the rain, have the dog in the backseat, Grocery store runs etc. A quick hose off and vacuum to show the car or Fairweather day to day use. I wouldn’t even consider a full restoration on this car, that would actually detract from the enjoyment at the end of the project, for how I enjoy a vehicle anyway. And of course the time and money it would take to do it .

What you can see in the pictures of the exterior interior and under the hood show great promise of the above type of vehicle. Just about everything is there inside and out and shows to be very serviceable as is. I’ve been a mechanic most of my working life and have done quite a few cars just like this. Really enjoy doing them versus a full restoration. Judging by the other vehicles I’ve done I would have about 300 hours and 4K ( and man that stuff can change in a hurry ....) in this car to make it turnkey ready again with everything functioning the way it’s supposed to.

There’s a lot of ways to look at the money side of this hobby. If you pay too much for a car, put too much Time and money into it and you completely lose your butt in the end , when you go to sell, does it really matter if you are the type of guy who enjoyed every single moment along the way? If you like what you see and you have the money, spend whatever you wish to secure that smile and enjoyment. Everybody else has hobbies etc. they spend their money on, no different here. There are times I wish I had that kind of bank account but unfortunately I don’t so I carefully choose the next old dog that I bring into the garage to at least try to get my money that I’ve spent back out of it in the end. The labor side has no monetary value,for me in the end, I enjoy that so I’m not worried about a return there. That’s how I roll.

It’s a neat car, hopefully you or somebody will get their hands on it and it will turn out to be a story with a good ending.......

Steve weim55 Colorado

 

That's my brother. Has always been the voice of reason.

 

I certainly appreciate everyone’s input and all the great information! I’m gonna try and set something up this week to go spend a good hour with old clothes and a flashlight and go over and under this hidden gem and then make a decision on what to do and I’ll post my findings for those interested......

 

Update......I called to set something up and he was very honest and upfront saying his price isn’t negotiable which I can respect.
This car will not see the light of day for many years to come it seems, the good news is that it’s in a box in Arizona so it’s not gonna sun fade or rust away waiting to roll again someday.

 

Well that sucks. Another car that will just sit forever.

 

I am a little confused as to why the story is ending here?

Read this first to see how it sometimes ends.
http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/70-gsx-lead-4speed-qq-car.356494/



Then, go look at the car if it is close to you. Give him your honest opinion of the car after you look it over, pro's and cons. There may be things wrong with it he isn't even aware of, which may affect his pricing after he thinks about it. Tell him you appreciate him allowing you to look at it. Make a respectful offer, if you are still interested, or maybe don't make an offer. Leave him your name and number and tell him you are still interested if he changes his mind re: his price and your offer.

And of course report back here with more info and pics. :>)

 

Exactly - The GSX sounded like the same deal and then...

 

I went there originally to look at parts, he has over 40 Skylarks 3 1971-2 GS and 3-4 65-67 GS,(All sitting in the sun), he wasn’t looking to sell this car at all. I was very polite and I was prepared to offer up to $8500.
He’s basically a hoarder for lack of a better word unless you’re willing to pay the dream price, he said he has a standing offer of $10k he’s not taking. He’s extremely high on everything he has and it’s mostly junk(saw 20 skylark grills from 70-72 all broken and wanted $200 each) 1971-72 bumper cores $250 bent damaged junk no N25’s..........The 2 1971-2 GS were 350 cars with next to nothing usable on them and sun-roaches bench seat interiors......So basically he’ll die and then maybe his kids or whatever will be left a huge pile of nothing.

 

I'm curious as to what he thinks this car is worth. Care to divulge that info?

 

Probably some good sheetmetal in those cars sitting outside (even floors, etc.). Not be morbid, but might want to keep an eye on the obits or set up a Google search (can't remember specifically what it's called) that'll alert you if his name comes up if you have his last name.

I can't even get $75 ea. for my super straight cores lol.

 

I think it was posted that he is set on 10k.

 

No Sir, considerably more, but it’s not my place to divulge HIS price publicly, as I said he’s not trying to sell it.

 

Sorry I misunderstood. I thought when you said he has a standing 10k offer that was his price. Oh the joys of TV and the internet. Everyone's everything is worth a mint. Sad not to see that 67 get to see the light of day.