Painting Panels separately or assembled first - metallic paint?

Discussion in 'Color is everything!' started by NZ GS 400, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. NZ GS 400

    NZ GS 400 Gold Level Contributor

    Hello all,

    I am ready to paint my 67 GS. Currently, the front clip is removed. The doors are on the car. I am leaning toward removing the doors to spray the jambs and then reassembling all the panels prior to all over paint.

    Alternatively, I am considering painting the panels separately and then assembling. It is my understanding that that is how the factory did it. I am concerned about color mismatch. I know that with metallic, orientation of the parts is important and that they should be sprayed "as they will hang".

    Third option would be leave the doors on as the gaps are adjusted pretty well already and spray the jambs that way. Then install fenders, etc. before all over paint--but then how do you get the fender ornaments on? (FYI, all glass and hardware is removed from body. Your thoughts? Thanks for the input.

    Paint color is Shadow Turquoise if that factors into the equation. (PPG Deltron basecoat/clearcoat)
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2019
  2. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    The factory painted the car with the doors and trunk deck on and open for at least part of the painting process. The entire nose was not on the car and it was not on the frame. The fenders and hood were painted somewhere else in the factory. Door and trunk attaching hardware was painted. Fender/hood bolts and hardware were not painted. A common mistake to paint front end hardware. It’s sloppy.
     
  3. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Watch this video at the end. Shows no nose on car and doors adjar. You can always do jams before doors are on then paint bottoms of doors off the car then attach doors and paint them on the car with another coat in jams to get paint on bolts. That’s the way I usually have it done.
     
  4. 68GSBill

    68GSBill 68GSBill

    When we did frame off we painted all the parts separately, assembled the car and then paint the whole car. That way nothing is missed and rest of car matches. More work but better results.
     
  5. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Exactly. Get all the hard to reach areas first. The black /red primer on floors and firewall was done before body color.
     
  6. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Its always the safest bet to paint it all together. Or at least if its apart to spray it at the same time if all possible. Just base it all and you have 24hr window to clear what you couldn't get in the booth
     
  7. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    And in fact, the body was painted at a completely separate facility (Flint build cars) across town from Buick Final Assembly (Fisher Body). On the G Bodies, different city even (Fisher Body in Flint, Pontiac Final Assembly in Pontiac). There will always be a difference in color/shading on these cars.
     
  8. NZ GS 400

    NZ GS 400 Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks for your replies. I am leaning toward painting factory style. I will also plan to shoot everything in the same session.
     
  9. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I have read paint came from same batches so parts on cars could match as much as possible.
     
  10. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    I would not believe that at all. maybe the same “formula” but not the same batch. Logistics would be intense.
     
  11. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Brad, you have done it now. I am going to have to hunt down where I found that info.o_O
     
  12. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    They may have said that Dave, but didn't practice what they preached. The shading is easily seen on any car built in that time period but to, and including, G bodies.
     
  13. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    You are probably right.
     
  14. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Ok Brad I found it. I know this is Chevy but it is still GM and Fisher. Scroll down to Paint System Information 2nd paragraph. That is information I was looking for Fisher for Buick would have handled paint the same way. It’s an interesting read.
    http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml
     
  15. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    That's GMAD, not Fisher Flint/Buick final. GMAD stuff was in the same physical building and, typically, had a hole in the wall between the Fisher side and the division side. Logistically, not a big issue to share paint batches. Now, transport the completed body from, literately, one side of Flint to the other. Not so easy to share paint anymore. Now think of G bodies wherein the bodies were built at Fisher in Flint and shipped to Pontiac for final. An almost impossible process to share paint batches, plus the fact you can see the difference in shade/color when built miles apart.

    I think that was the ideal standard but failed in actual practice.
     
  16. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    But Brad, what if you are color blind?
     
  17. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Do we know for sure the front end pieces weren’t painted at Fisher too? Then shipped to Buick? Also plenty of Buick’s are GMAD built.
     
  18. gstewart

    gstewart Well-Known Member

    The paint companies, for the car manufactures, produced paint in "mill run" such that probably thousands of gallons of each colour & its formula. So if a car say needed the hood repainted, the repair shop was able to, I think thru the car dealer, obtain the formula for the mill run used on the car.
     
  19. NZ GS 400

    NZ GS 400 Gold Level Contributor

    So, if I am filling my spray gun pots from the same batch of mixed paint, am I likely to encounter variations in color due to small fluctuations in temperature and humidity? I plan to keep reducer and hardener measurements as precise as I can. Factory practices and resulting color mismatch for these 60's cars pertain to acrylic lacquer, not the deltron base clear I am using.
     
  20. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    But I'm not. ;)

    They were not for Flint builds. GMAD builds have a better chance of matching. I've seen 1000's of Flint builds with original paint, and not just A-bodies, and there was a difference in front end sheetmetal vs. body sheetmetal color. It may have been attempted but, even with batch painting with same lots, there will eventually be a difference in color. Besides, dye lots do not make the entire process. There is a ton of variables that come into play with how paint matches; gun angle, dye lot, gun tenhnique, paint matches, etc. Believe me, it is different. Just look at a GN. The original paint will have a silver metallic to it if it is original. My two GN's exhibit this defect.
     

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