1970 455 versus 1973

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Canadian GS 350, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Other than the heads, is the only difference the larger oil galleries on the 73?
    Thanks
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Pistons are different. The 73's have a bigger dish.
     
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  3. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Larry. I should have said if one was to do a rebuild, just based on blocks alone - am I better off using the 73 versus the 70 block ? I have both now, and plan to build a 455 for my GS350, so may as well use the best of the 2. Thanks
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I see you are relatively new here. Let me give you some reading to do.:)

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/what-year-big-block-buick-to-build.120037/

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?th...ck-why-sonic-checking-is-so-important.171953/

    If you are contemplating building a 455 short block, do not buy the current off the shelf pistons. Spend a bit more and get custom pistons. They offer a lot of advantages. Read this,

    http://www.trishieldperformance.com/470--what-and-why-.html

    Some info on Piston availability,

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/470-vs-482-differences-similarities.327964/
     
  5. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    DB7F22C4-64A5-4216-9BB6-E7B5539926C5.jpeg The quad on the intake is 7044....so I know the quad is a 1974. I can’t find a vin code on the block at front below drover’s head....pad appears blank. Here is a pic by the dip stick tube. The build date is k23 - so November 23rd. Assume year is 1973? 8E7A79D4-8E0F-4F60-8470-8583C3358F29.jpeg
     
  6. rmstg2

    rmstg2 Gold Level Contributor

    When you say rebuild are you staying stock or are you going to go for serious power? For just a rebuild it shouldn't make much difference which block you use.

    Bob H.
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  8. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Larry - I found the vin...its 44H434803......so a 1974 block
    The turbo 400 that came with it is a 70-PA

    The goal for the build is 500 plus hp, low 12's....Thanks for the reading material! Look forward to it.
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    PA came behind the 1970 Pontiac 455 HO. Should be a good Transmission.

    That will be no problem with a set of TA Stage1SE aluminum heads with entry level porting, 10:1 compression, and a cam with 230* of intake duration.
     
  10. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    In good air it should run high 11s.
    Ive gone 12:30 109 9.3/1. 230/236 comp cam small valve 73 heads bowls opened only. Performer and 850 annular.
    Junk t400 trans which is now on floor of garage and 342 gears.
     
  11. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    Get the right postons so they are not .050 in hole like mine.
     
  12. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    I'm surprised. P = Pontiac, A = specific model. Typically the "A" is a very popular, high-production, lower-torque capacity "grandma/grocery-getter transmission". I'd have expected that the HO would get a "higher" letter ID--lower production volume, extra torque capacity.

    FIFY

    Always a good idea with a quench-style combustion chamber.
     
  13. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    What is FIFY?

    Yes made booboo w not cutting deck.

    Learn from others mistakes. Like mine.
     
  14. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    I changed "postons" to "pistons" when I quoted you in my previous post.

    FIFY = Fixed It For You
     
  15. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    Thanks.
    Postons, lol. Was a good Buick company back in the day.....
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yeah, my mistake, looked at it quickly. From the sessions THM400 book, all 455 V-8 EXCEPT HO.

    PontiacTHM400Codes1970.jpg
     
  17. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Cliff Ruggles told me that the pre 72 turbo 400s - at least 69 and 1970 are very similar cores for performance rebuilds.
    Thanks everyone for the zero decking recommendations - I’ve got that requirement logged.
     
  18. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    I have a 1969 turbo 400 PX code from a Pontiac 400 4bbl gto or firebird ...or the 1970 PA code .......which would you rebuild?
     
  19. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    I'd expect the PA to have a medium-length tailshaft, and the PX to have a short shaft. Which length works better for you?

    Somewhere, there's a guide to the number of clutch discs in the various clutch packs. The "A" is likely to have fewer than the "X", so you might want to give preference to the "X" if the tailshaft works for you.
     
  20. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Both are short tail shafts. I should bring this topic up in the transmission section.
     

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