Quadrajet stalls at high speed

Discussion in 'The Venerable Q-Jet' started by Buick Riviera 7, May 17, 2018.

  1. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    Okay - will drive it tomorrow, thank you!
     
  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Had a similar problem on my 69 Riv. Around town driving was no issue but once I got on the highway and started doing 60-70 mph for a short time, the car would feel like it was running out of gas. It would nose over and the engine would start sputtering. I would slow down and the fuel system seemed to "catch up" with the engine

    In my case, what I found was that the rubber right angle adapter on the fuel sender that connects to the electric pump slipped off. It was probably an 1/8" or so away from the output nipple of the pump. The electric pump was working, but just kinda shooting fuel into the open end of the right angle hose. Not even sure how the hell it was even running that way.

    Fuel pressure is good to check but it doesn't tell you how much volume you have. Luckily, the fuel sender is easily accessible and takes only minutes to remove.
     
  3. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    Having the same driving issue. However, I recently replaced the electric fuel pump and noticed the rubber elbow didn't look as fresh as it should so I replaced it with a metal elbow. But if no other issue shows up I may need to double check the elbow. Thanks again, Jason!
     
  4. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    Hooked up the fuel pressure gauge in place of the in-line fuel filter and in front of the carb filter and found that when the engine starts it is at 7 lbs and as I drove in the subdivision at 25 to 35 mph the pressure gradually dropped to 0 lbs by the time I reached a distance of six blocks.
    I shut the car off for a few minutes and drove it again and got the exact same results. No kinks in the fuel line hose or dents in the steel line.
    Not sure what to check next?
     
  5. 72STAGE1

    72STAGE1 STAGE 1 & 2

    Vent the gas tank cap and repeat the process, if it remains the same then replace filters and repeat, then replace pump, could have a slight tear in diaphragm, repeat. Elimination process always finds the problem....
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2018
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    That leaves the pick up in the tank, or the pump is just not up to the task. Is it a stock Riviera fuel pump in the tank?
     
  7. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    The fuel pump was just replaced with an alternative pump that is about the same size and rated for 40 GPH that was suggested by someone who had good luck with it in the same car. But maybe there is a problem with this unit.
    I was told by OPGI that 38 GPH is sufficient. Do you have a suggestion for a pump?
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I know Yardley went through this and finally converted over to a mechanical pump. He had to run his fuel lines on the other side of the car. I believe he currently runs a Robb Mc pump. Here is his web page.

    http://www.1badriv.com/

    Try E mailing him at the address at the bottom of the page.

    If you did convert over to a mechanical pump, you could probably just run the Stage1 fuel pump and use your stock pump as a pusher pump. That would most certainly be able to keep up. When my car was in the 12's, I ran a Stage1 pump fed by an electric Holley Red pump plumbed in at the tank.
     
  9. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    Thank you, I will contact him.
     
  10. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    I used a Delphi FE0065 pump and an FS100 strainer. The pump fits an 86 ford Ranger/ Bronco II. Puts out 3-6 psi.
     
  11. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    Went to Yardley's website and the fuel pump he suggested is the one that I have - the EP297/ Airtex E2008. I sent him an email, but is was returned as not deliverable.
    I am gong to bench test the fuel pump to confirm the GPH output.
     
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  12. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    This may seem elementary, but I suppose it's good to think about. How much gas do you have when this happens, and would the fuel pickup ever get uncovered at cruise rpm?
     
  13. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    I appreciate any and all suggestions! The gas tank is never below a 1/4 tank and is currently at 3/4 full. I have blown out the fuel line and it is all clear. I measured the fuel pump output and confirmed it is at 40 GPH at the carburetor.
    So I will replace the carb filter again and look for any debris in the carb.
     
  14. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    I straightened out a tight bend in the fuel line hose. I blew out the fuel line with high compressed air. I also replaced the carb and inline filters - again. Now it appears to be running fine! Looking forward to taking it out for the first time this weekend.
    Thanks again to all for your input and suggestions!
     
  15. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    So your thinking the tight bend was the issue?
     
  16. Buick Riviera 7

    Buick Riviera 7 Active Member

    I think it was a combination of the fuel line tight bend and debris that got into in the filters and possibly carb. After cleaning the fuel line, straightening the bend and putting in new filters the car ran better, but as I drove it on the highway it started running even better still and probably cleared out some debris in the jets.
     
  17. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    First thing you should do is throw out that clear in line filter. Those are absolutely a piece of garbage. Then if you follow what Larry is advising you you should be able to nail your woes.
     
  18. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    ha haaaaaa. Im totaly late to the party.
     

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