Fact check please!

Discussion in 'Ebay Parts and Cars' started by Nailhead, Jan 2, 2019.

  1. Nailhead

    Nailhead Gold Level Contributor

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1970-O...h=item2f293002c5:g:I3MAAOSwO-pcLDPX:rk:7:pf:0

    Item specifics
    Condition: New other (see details) Brand:
    Buick
    Placement on Vehicle: Right Manufacturer Part Number:
    #5716870 GR 10.527
    Surface Finish: Chrome Other Part Number: #5716871 GR 10.527
    Country/Region of Manufacture: United States

    Up for bid are Rare NOS Outer door handles for 1970 ONLY Buick GS/GSX Skylark Stage 1 cars. The difference between these and later year cars is they are thicker than the 71 and newer cars and you can tell immediately when you grab a hold of them. Please remember these are almost 50 years old so don't buy them if you need show car quality chrome as GM is known for their flaws, However these are extremely nice and really hard to find.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019
  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    I couldn't tell you. In my March 73 book, its the same number from 70-72. Who knows, they may very well be thicker. But honestly who the hell cares? And who is really going to notice that? I own all three years and I couldn't tell you a 70 door handle from feel from a 71/72 Hard to justify even a fraction of that price for NOS ones when nice repro's are $70/ pair.
     
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  3. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    They don't even have push buttons for that price. Sheesh.
     
  4. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    The earlier handles were thicker in the area where you grab than the 73 and later style. This was not just for Buick's, but for all GM models that used that style of handle. So, to answer the question, yes they are different but I've never deducted a point for such.
     
  5. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    Well, it's partly true...there's some truth there. 1970 GS door handles were "fat" handles as far as I know. I did a lot of research on this before. You can easily spot them if you know. You will see many people say this handle # fits this car and these things were superseded untold times. The proof of that is the black + yellow box. If you know GM parts, you can somewhat tell by the packaging the age of the part. B + y boxes are like early 60's. There are lists around the internet that somewhat sort the handles out, and it is truly a crazy thing! Like "fat" handles were used on early Camaros. Like you would think a 70 Chevelle, Elky, GTO, 442 and GS handles are all the same. They're not the same. It's related to the angle of the door skin. Another crazy thing is the gaskets, I think there are like 12-20 or so different gaskets. Same for the buttons, they are different. That's the truth of it. But, they are definitely not GS only handles. That's also the truth. They are worth what someone will pay.
     
  6. gsfred

    gsfred Founders Club Member

    Very hard to find the "fat" handles if you are doing a car that you want to be 100% correct. Depends on your mind set. A lot of folks are OK with repro parts, but other's want the real part. That said if you are doing a BEATER then repro, or superceded parts are fine. It's a personal thing, so repro tail lights, gaskets, door gaskets etc may be fine for some, while others want the original parts. Each individual needs to be the judge.
     
  7. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Some of this pricing is just getting ridiculous.
     
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  8. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Frank,

    That's cool info that I was unaware of.

    Jaso - you're 1000% right in terms of pricing but I guess it's worth whatever someone would pay.

    I'll stick with nice, used OEM stuff. :D
     
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  9. Nailhead

    Nailhead Gold Level Contributor

    If these sell at his asking price look for a lot more to come out from hiding!
     
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  10. 69 GS 400

    69 GS 400 Well-Known Member

    IMO the box on the left looks too old style wise if 70 was a one year only as he claims.
     
  11. STAGE III

    STAGE III Lost Experimental 455-4 Bolt Main Block.

    Seriously?!! Is the madness NEVER going to stop?
    Thank you for sharing gentlemen.

    “Hey Fritzeeeee? Add another 70 only item preferably pitted to the poor touring list!”

    Nice to learn more info but humbling. Have felt a difference but never connected till now.
    Very cool information,thanks

    Fritzenoob out ; )
     
  12. Duane

    Duane Member

    You know there is a thing called re-chroming.

    The ones on my 71 GSX are re-chromed originals, as are the ones on the 69 Motion car.

    You can still find nice original cores from either out west or down in Texas for reasonable prices. Then get them re-chromed and still be way under the price of this NOS stuff, plus you get a few benefits;
    1. You can save a $hit pot of money
    2. You end up with better chrome then the originals ever had
    3. You are using Original parts that no one can ever tell you are wrong, and if they try to do that, it will simply show their ignorance, and
    4. You get to recycle old parts that would otherwise hit the landfills

    Even if you have a couple hundred dollars into them it's still worth it to be correct on a Concours car.

    Certain things you may need to buy NOS if possible, these parts are not one of them.
    Someone is going to pay $1500 for a pair of boxes.
    Duane
     
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  13. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    I think 70 was the last year for those. You can send your originals out for plating for a lot less, that's what Dave did for his GSX. If you are knee deep in resources like me, there are other GM numbers that are the same. As mentioned in the ad, GM chrome was never flawless, show chrome. But, because of the chemicals used back then the chrome has a different look than what's done today.
     
  14. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I love recycling old stuff.

    "Always use genuine GM parts."
     
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  15. newmexguy

    newmexguy Well-Known Member

    Have a box full of originals, $10 ea and up. These pics are of a 70 Chev full size and 69 Electra to show what is in the U pull it's once in a while, even today.
     

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  16. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Nice stuff! There's a guy at the GS nats that sells California parts. Its incredible how clean that stuff is.
     
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  17. PackerBacker

    PackerBacker Blake's Dad

    NewMexGuy I'd be interested in a nice pair correct for a 70 Skylark if you have them.
     
  18. Thumper (aka greatscat)

    Thumper (aka greatscat) Well-Known Member

    I think I will contact him and offer a NOS set I have for $1000. If they are worth What hes asking he should jump on it and make a quick $500.
     
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  19. Buicksky

    Buicksky Gold Level Contributor

    All right "chrome door handle aficionado's" so were 69 a one year only or is 68 69 the same and 70 different or the same? Also are all the GM A body handles the same or origionaly was a 69 Buick , Chevy , Pontiac , Oldsmobile all the same? with the different door skin angles ?
     
  20. Duane

    Duane Member

    According to Nick the 68 handles are different then the 69 handles. They sat on the door skins at a different angle.

    70 door handles are different then the 68 & 69, again due to the different door skin, so they needed to be set on a different angle again.

    The 70-72 door handles would all have the same angle, but according to some on the board the 71-72 handles had a different thickness in the grip area. (I never got into it that far.)


    I would be cautious to take the word of any parts book as gospel, as they may simple designate the fact that some handles could be used on other applications.


    I also never bothered to note down any numbers on the handles, but would suggest that it would be better, as in more accurate, to write down the numbers of "known" originals and use them as references instead of taking some book as correct.

    It would be nice if someone did the homework for this and posted a thread here listing all the numbers. If it would be made into a sticky that would be even better.

    So who has the time and can step up to the plate?
    Duane
     
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